If cost were not a limiting factor what combo of Cationic conditioning ingredients would you use?

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If cost were not a limiting factor what combo of Cationic conditioning ingredients would you use?

Posted by kannes on January 9, 2023 at 3:07 am

If cost were not a limiting factor, what combination of Cationic conditioning ingredients (surfactants, polymers) would you prefer to use for a hair conditioner formula that works for most hair types? Any silicone preferences too? There are so many options for Cationic conditioning agents…and lots to consider with build up, ingredient competition/compatibility etc. As a newbie I’d love to hear your input as seasoned veterans. Thank you!

Abdullah replied 3 months, 1 week ago 6 Members · 12 Replies
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Abdullah

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January 9, 2023 at 10:33 am

For what type of hair?
kannes

Member
January 9, 2023 at 6:36 pm

Abdullah said:

For what type of hair?

If you have any preferences for certain hair types/conditions, would love to read about all of them. Thanks!
Abdullah

Member
January 10, 2023 at 1:46 am

For thin hair SPDMA+fatty alcohol

For thick hair BTMS+fatty alcohol
kannes

Member
January 10, 2023 at 7:32 pm

Abdullah said:

For thin hair SPDMA+fatty alcohol

For thick hair BTMS+fatty alcohol

Thank you! Do you ever use behentrimonium chloride or always prefer btms?
Abdullah

Member
January 11, 2023 at 10:39 am

Typing mistake.
I prefer behentrimonium chloride, not BTMS.

BTMS has 75% fatty alcohol. I use less.
Paprik

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January 11, 2023 at 5:44 pm

There are few “grades” of BTMS. 25 ; 50 ; 75%. You can choose - I am using 50% and it works just fine
HamBone99

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January 18, 2023 at 4:25 am

I just listened to a Beauty Brains podcast that Valerie talk about her favorite Quats. Episode 321 at about 30 min.
- Abdullah
  
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  September 17, 2024 at 4:54 am
  
  @hambone99 is there episode 321 in beauty brains podcast?
kannes

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January 18, 2023 at 4:07 pm

HamBone99 said:

I just listened to a Beauty Brains podcast that Valerie talk about her favorite Quats. Episode 321 at about 30 min.

Fantastic, thank you!
ketchito

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January 19, 2023 at 2:39 am

Abdullah said:

Typing mistake.
I prefer behentrimonium chloride, not BTMS.

BTMS has 75% fatty alcohol. I use less.

BTMS 25 has that amount of fatty alcohol to favor formation of a lamellar network. The best (molar) ratio between emulsifier/fatty alcohol for this model is between 1:4 and 1:6. But maybe you use less fatty alcohol to have a more liquid emulsion.
Abdullah

Member
January 19, 2023 at 8:20 am

ketchito said:

Abdullah said:

Typing mistake.
I prefer behentrimonium chloride, not BTMS.

BTMS has 75% fatty alcohol. I use less.

BTMS 25 has that amount of fatty alcohol to favor formation of a lamellar network. The best (molar) ratio between emulsifier/fatty alcohol for this model is between 1:4 and 1:6. But maybe you use less fatty alcohol to have a more liquid emulsion.

Yes i use BTMC+FA 1:2 weight ratio. It is like 1:3.2 molar ratio.

I dont like too much fatty alcohol in hair conditioner.
Bureta14

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January 21, 2023 at 2:59 am

I have formulated conditioners with Crodazoquat MCC and or Crodasozoft DBQ. And Crodasosoft CSO will provide conditioning and shine properties. And you could add cetearyl alcohol as thickener.
Behetrimonium chloride is also a great cationic conditioner with thickening properties.