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  • Filling a Biphasic Product

    Posted by Microformulation on September 22, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    I have had a client ask me to improve upon an existing Biphasic Cleaner from Lancome. The product separates into 2 phases in the bottle, forming two distinct layers much like an oil and vinegar salad dressing.

    The Formula is pretty straight forward as a Water Phase and a silicone/emollient phase.

    My concern is that this product will pose significant challenges in packaging and may limit her options for a Contract Manufacturer.

    Could anyone with Commercial experience in these products weigh-in? My alternative is more of a “milk” type emulsified product.

    DavidW replied 8 years, 1 month ago 7 Members · 11 Replies
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  • johnb

    Member
    September 22, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    I was involved in a two phase bath oil some years ago.

    The initial plant setup was a constantly stirred mix feeding into a standard volumetric bottle filler. This wasn’t really successful as it was almost impossible to maintain a consistent mix of the two phases and, particulurly as they were different colours, the different levels looked relly bad on a nstore shelf.

    What was done was to fill with a double pass, filling one phase to a fixed volume and then the other fixed volume on a second pass.

    The company was in the process of setting up a double filler (two filler heads in series) when post Christmas sales went so low that the product was taken off the market.

  • Microformulation

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    September 22, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @johnb You are definitely confirming my suspicions in regard to this job. The client is a start-up, albeit a well financed start-up and I think they will be unable to deal with a filling process that will eliminate most manufacturers. I am leaning towards the emulsified product even more.

  • Bobzchemist

    Member
    September 22, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    I’ve worked on these before. It is really tough to get a perfectly clean phase separation after the product has been used a few times. I’d recommend against it.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 22, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    @Bobzchemist Thanks as well. I was waiting for you to weigh-in.

  • Bill_Toge

    Member
    September 24, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    I used to work for a major manufacturer of two-phase mouthwash; each phase was manufactured and filled separately, as it would have been hopelessly impractical to try and fill the mixed product

    and, as @Bobzchemist pointed out, achieving a clean phase separation was nearly impossible after the product had been mixed

  • belassi

    Member
    September 24, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    What is the purpose of that idea? I regard separation as a failed product.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 25, 2016 at 12:52 am

    They are trendy and common in Make-up removers. Here is a respresentative product, Lancome Bifacial Cleanser. It is hard to see but it isn’t a partially filled bottle, but two separate phases.

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 25, 2016 at 12:59 am

    The directions are to “Shake Well” before using.

    Here is the ingredient list;

    Aqua / Water / Eau, Cyclopentasiloxane, Isohexadecane, Sodium Chloride,
    Poloxamer 184, Hexylene Glycol, Dipotassium Phosphate, Benzyl Alcohol,
    Potassium Phosphate, Quaternium-15, Benzalkonium Chloride, Parfum /
    Fragrance, Citronellol, Geraniol.

    Essentially you have an aqueous phase and a silicone phase. When you shake it, it becomes a white cleanser type product. In about 30 minutes it returns to the original appearance. I have been shaking it over and over for days now as I fidget and I am still seeing good phase separation. I found a similar starting Formulation which seemed straight forward. I was just concerned with the ability to get it packaged correctly. It is for that reason I have backed out of this type product.

  • David

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    September 25, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    I did a 2-phase hair conditioner once. While the formulating is quite fun - you can e.g. control the phase separation by adding different amounts of sodium chloride - a bit like a salt curve. Filling is timeconsuming and messy and we also filled the phases separately after trying to fill with constant mixing. 

  • Microformulation

    Member
    September 25, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    @David I imagine that in order to have a consistent product, filling the phases separately and by weight is the most efficient and effective manner. I didn’t want to add the additional manufacturing costs to the project so we went a different way.

  • DavidW

    Member
    September 30, 2016 at 2:19 am

    Mark, you can fill 2 times or formulate so the phases separate into the amounts you want of each.  Then a slow constant mix while filling.  We did one of these a few years back.

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