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acceptable conditioning without cationic polymer and silicon
Hi guys, what about a formulation of hair shampoo without cationic compounds and silicon but with acceptable conditioning ability. what can I use?
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11 Replies
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Well first answer would be …. cationics and silicones. ????
Second answer would be…ingredients with ‘brassica’ in the name. If I recall…..Inolex has some of these tools.
Good luck….you will need it.
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very useful. Thanks
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You could use cationic surfactants or make a LGN like P&G does. Nevertheless, you won’t get the same performance as with cationic polymers + silicones, and they former are usually added to the latter to improve performance. Plus, they are more advanced and very hard to formulate.
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Use SPDMA
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Love the stuff…but it is cationic in an acidic environment.
Are you saying use a loophole…and keep the pH up…where it might not be considered….cationic?
Would it still have the desired properties, in a higher pH range? I have never explored that….as all my work falls on the acidic side of life. ????
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Long time ago i was using it in shampoo at pH 5-7( don’t remember correctly) at 1% and it had no problem with SLES/CAPB at that ph. It was increasing the viscosity too.
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what’s the full name☺
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Stearamidopropyl dimethylamine
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May we ask what the issue with cationics are? You could try Lamesoft PO 65 for a little bit of refatting in a shampoo but it’s not really going to have the same effect of substantivity conditioning.
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some customers said cationics are irritant to scalp especially the children.
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That can be the case of some cationic surfactants, especially with CTC. But, when properly formulated, there shouldn’t be an issue. For instance, choosing BTMS over BTC for a milder product is advisable.
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