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@MetalizeMerz thanks for sharing your thoughts.
No i haven’t noticed any difference in foam. 
Is what is this %0.2 EDTA doing? 
Should i increase it to reduce the iron availability? 

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@PhilGeis im am referring to information in makingcosmetics website about phenoxyethanol and sodium benzoate incompatibilities. 

can you tell me the book name or the info? 

I already decided to replace HPMC with guar gum because of it’s incompatibility with phenoxyethanol in shampoo to stabilize pearlizer EGDS. 

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List of ingredients with percentage of each

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@Dreamer77 thanks for interesting information. 
Does PQ10 and guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride also speed up the absorption of oil? 

If yes at what percentage? 

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Add 50g water to 50g NAOH and continue mixing it to reach more water to more NAOH quickly and see. 

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@PhilGeis sure but if there is any known incompatibility it is better to know and change that i ingredient or preservation system. 

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@Pharma @PhilGeis any comments on this.

Lotioncrafter says: Benzoic acid is inactivated by non-ionic surfactant.

Makingcosmetics says: Phenoxyethanol should not be used in formulas containing HE-cellulose or non-ionic surfactants. 

One another website said phenoxyethanol is deactivated by highly ethoxylated surfactants. Does this include SLES or ALES?

Thanks in advance

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@PhilGeis thanks

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@Pharma got it thanks

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@PhilGeis thanks a lot

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@PhilGeis sorry buy i didn’t get your point “assuming you obtain solution of addition”. Can you explain it a bit more! 

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You can use any brand. I purchase locally and forgot the manufacturer name but it was 200000 mpas viscosity. 

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I don’t know the reason but i know APGs at high amounts are not compatible with cellulose. Also decyl Glucoside is very hard to thicken but lauryl is very easy. 

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@Anca_Formulator thanks for information.
Do you know what is the percentage of each ingredient in Polyaquol? 

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I am interested in Polyaquol 2W for high viscosity lotion, can it make it?
Do you have MSDS of the product? 
Can you share it?

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Yes it is very stable. 
Just use %0.3 xanthan gum or some carbomer in water phase. 
And it is also liquid crystal.

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Use HPMC instead of HEC.
Reduce decyl Glucoside to %1 or replace it with lauryl Glucoside. 
%10 decyl Glucoside is very difficult to thicken

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High viscosity HPMC also works as thickner in Shampoo

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@PhilGeis Formalin is %37 formaldehyde in water, is that %37 free formaldehyde? 

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@PhilGeis thanks
The upper limit for DMDM hydantoin is %0.6, so why warning above %0.05?

 Finished products containing DMDMH must be labeled with the

warning “contains formaldehyde” if the (free) formaldehyde

concentration exceeds 0.05%

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@Bill_Toge EDTA is also anionic and not compatible with cationic surfactants. So how does that effect PQ10? 

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@RedCoast i don’t think it was fume. The smell was lavender eo that i was adding. From just smelling the Product there was no problem but after applying it to face or hand i was felling something is not good and there was some tightness my chest. No irritation. Then When i was washing my hand or face after from the Product, the problem was solved. 
I was adding EDTA at first and HCl at cool down. One day i decided to add it first at water face because it was powder not liquid,i first added EDTA then when i added HCl, a white powder like thing formed on top of water that was not soluble in water. Then i made another batch without EDTA and it was easily soluble in hot water. So i figured these two are not compatible.

Then I made two batches separately one with EDTA and another preservative and one with HCl and both were amazing with no problem. 

Then i checked it’s compatibility with each ingredient, it was not compatible with citric acid too.

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Mixing incompatible ingredients doesn’t mean the emulsion should always break. It means those ingredients will not do what you want them to do and may be some other side effects. 

I was once mixing EDTA vs Ethyl Lauroyl Arginate HCl which are incompatible in emulsions. The emulsions were stable but i was felling some shortness of breath when i was applying the lotion to my body. When i found that these two are incompatible, removing each of it made a beautiful emulsion without any problem.

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Polyglyceryl 4 Laurate makes very thin emulsion

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For moisturization add %20 glycerin and %5 petrolatum. This works better than anything else you can compare to. The manage the aesthetics.