PhilGeis
FDA withdraws casual hand sanitizer guidance
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-withdrawing-temporary-guidances-alcohol-based-hand-sanitizers
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The concept of "bug food" is generally pretty irrelevant. The typical contaminants grow well enough in water, even distilled water If lecithin is the issue - it's likely as a preservative neutralizer. It's used for that purpose in reco…
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The only difference is that those hiding behind Ecocert head fake have a better story.
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MgCl is highly soluble in a highly aqueous application. With or without chelator - this is a story not a consumer benefit.
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It's only "natural" by the credentialing BS. any chance pH has drifted high?
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It was simply not a stable preservative system in your product. Germall plus I assume an antifungal and chelator is more stable. Products are not sterile so growth of a fungal contaminant is not necessarily a problem with manufacturing hygiene. If …
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Graillotion makes an excellent point. Esp. in preservative context, develop a combination that gives consistent efficacy through the range of type formulas. Likely shampoos will not be the same as lotions - but within each through it's own range …
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Appreciate your intent but, in shampoo context, think you reaching for a story more than clinical endpoint. Even if effective, you're unlikely to get enough from a shampoo. Mg ascorbyl phosphate applied directly at % levels has some animal data …
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I would most certainly call the credentialing org's deceptive. Consider that SCJ et al. missed the mark by not starting their own. Granted all this is BS regarding a product largely sold in BS. The only real damage is in preservation and there …
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You might consider a parabens/formaldehye releaser-or- phenoxy/chelator based system. Leucidal is unjustified in any context.
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Leucidal is amazing? Good grief. Not only is it very limited in efficacy, it reportedly includes synthetic disinfectants. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf5063588
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Cosmetic marketing has been and is driven by garbage claims - from marginally functional antiaging, hypoallergenic, reef safe, animal testing to the fantasies of natural, endocrine disruption, no whatever, sustainable, causes cancer, microplastics, …
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Mark - I'm not with you on effective preservation. Benzoate is hardly the synthetic answer to an effective preservative system. The system you describe is not one that I've evaluated so I can't address its risk. What I do know from P&G work a…
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But to Perry's original question - I'd say unlikely. Prob. a headwind vs. the Natural Cosmetics Act from folks using the term now including the credentialing org's. Haven't heard that the big guys push it. And as Barnum said "........ bt…
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(Quote) Not with you on this Mark. The preservative aspects is the worst. So-called naturals are more hype than effect and consumers and too many formulators understand none of it. Don't think they looking for "benign" per se -…
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Don't think so. No amendments to Feinstein Collins and don't see Natural in table of contents.
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I'm with you Mark with the potential valuusefulness of that legislation and sure agree the definition shouldn't be left to self-appointed credentialing folks. Feinstein Collins Senate bill has been around for going on a decade. It's not so much op…
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Wonder if Feinstein Collins will get any more traction than previous attempts. Also wonder if COSMOS Ecocert guidance is "best" or just license to fudge.
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(Quote) Can you help me find the reference for caprylyl glycol in nature?
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Somebody establishes an organization that defines/certifies as natural chemicals produced synthetically. Their credibility lies with those who care to share the concept for financial gain.
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Be aware, the debate re natural and other cynical marketing claims goes on within companies as well. Amoral folks in marketing too often win. I'll offer as relevant example that very few major companies have converted to "natural" pre…
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"Natural" in cosmetic context is clearly and most frequently a sham for the suckers. But most cosmetics are sold on that basis. Some care to engage some not. Ethics are calibrated to economics.
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If you guys are healthy you'll prob be ok.
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Neither is good - keep 'em in frig. Do you attempt to control pH?
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EDTA was offered as a well-known adjunct to preservative efficacy. Phenethyl alcohol is much weaker than phenoxyethanol. It's more of an inhibitor than killer and has little efficacy vs staph. What % do you plan to use? https://www.neogen.com/ca…
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A bit of overkill - 9010 and Ultra should be enough tho' suggest addition of EDTA. Not aware Ecocert has contrived "natural" for 9010's phenoxy (yet), and your pentylene glycol is unlikely to be anything but synthetic. As Graillotion sai…
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You know its synthetic.
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Advanced Testing Laboratory in Cincinnati. The do all Procter & Gamble's work.
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(Quote) The directive prohibits use of preservatives not on the list. Largely drive by SCCS consideration, there is a pathway to add new stuff. Citric acid may adjust pH but is unlikely to offer preservative effect , and I'd not give th…
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Prob not - on what data does he claim 3 year stability?
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9010 is ok - if it works. Some shampoos screw it up. The primary micro issue for shampoos is due to Gram negative bacteria and those are the target of phenoxy and its EHG booster. Don't buy its "broad spectrum" marketing BS. Think a che…
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