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  • @David the silicone is a blend. Personally, I prefer the feel of dimethicone + cyclomethicone than to pure dimethicone or pure cyclomethicone. It's not uncommon to see both in formulations already on the market nor is it uncommon to see multiple cat…
  • @Perry Thank you for responding and giving me your feedback. The CTAC is the only ingredient I use for detangling and slip.  typically. I decided to add CTAB to this particular version as an experiment out at a high percentage to see what it added …
  • @Microformulation Hi Mark. Yes, I remember you telling me that over the phone when we spoke last year. I lowered it from 1000 cst to the 350 cst. I have a 6 cst dimethicone on hand and will try that. I thought the 350 cst was low enough. I'll test t…
  • @Bobzchemist You were right, thank you. After a little more experimentation I got a working base. I upped the percentage of surfactant and lowered the glyceryl oleate a bit. The oleate still thins out the formula, but only a little bit. I realized o…
  • I'm looking to pay for the consultant's time at their rate. I'm not sure if I made that clear or not in my original post.
  • Thank you @belassi I was just reading up on that because I remember you telling that story and someone explaining it. I think it was @bill_toge that explained the phenomenon. So my next question is, can I not make a shampoo using this mixture with…
  • Formulating with SD is a bit interesting because the literature contradicts itself (at least mine does). I had to ask the supplier and they said you can neutralize SD either in the beginning or at the end. You still get the positive charge. I've use…
  • Update: I made another batch this time with the carbomer 940 at 1%. I'm pretty sure I did my math wrong the first. Everything worked out well the second test batch. There was a slight decrease in viscosity, but other than that the gel is stable. It…
  • @Bill_Toge I thought the some thing however, in the context of the document, carbomer was being talked about exclusive: "Solubility & Formulating Information Honeyquat 50 is freely soluble in water and in aqueous alcohol (60/40). It is so…
  • Hi @ozgirl I'm aware of Ultrez-20, it works great! My question was more geared towards individuals that have experience using honeyquat 50 and carbomer 940 together due to the recent discovery that they can be used together. I'm positive Ultrez 20 w…
  • Carbomer 940. I typically use Ultrez 20 for my hair gels, but wanted to try the carbomer after reading the literature
  • I test everything myself and use only the hair care products I design and make. How else do you know how the consumer will experience the product? Plus it's great stuff!
  • Cetiol G16S (Eutanol Hexyldecyl Stearate) could be an option. I also use Isoeicosane. It's just not as heavy, but feel wise it's pretty similar I think. I use both in different lotion formulas with great results. Isoeicosane has a very satiny feelin…
  • Thank you for responding! So @Perry I guess I'm looking for further clarification as to why you said cawarra's formula had too much CAPB? Or were you making a general statement that the DEA + CAPB was too much? I just want to be sure I'm not over/un…
  • @Perry You mentioned that the CAPB should be formulated at a 5% "active base". Most CAPB I've come across is only 30% active. So assuming that @cawarra has CAPB that is only 30% on an active basis he/she will only have 3.3% active material…
  • I have a similar formulation that I've experimented with. I tried HEC with it and got a good result, but I feel HEC feels a sticky after feel. It does work well for thickening and suspending. I also tried out Glucamate LT (PEG-120 Methyl Glucose Tri…
  • I use PEG-8 Dimethicone. It adds shine and great sensory. I use it at 2% as well and the gel is clear, but it leaves a weird slick feeling film on hair. It also takes away the tacky feeling feeling that the gel leaves.
  • I love the worksheet @Perry cooked up. I use it every time. I made a few chances here and there, but it's a pretty solid tool as is.
  • @Braveheart very very true. That's how I started.
  • This is an amazing topic as I have been thinking about getting into this for a while. It is great to see responses from people that have been in the game for a while. @Belassi I never thought to use beauty bloggers as a way to get the word out. That…
  • @thebrain HEC is very picky about the temperature it hydrates in. Try hydrating it water slightly hotter than room temp. Only after it's fully hydrated can you turn up the heat on it.
  • Have you tried to use Crothix (PEG-150 Pentaerythrityl Tetrastearate)? Or even Glucose-T (PEG-120 Methyl Glucose Trioleate, Propylene Glycol, Water)? Even Polyquaternium-10 would work great in this situation. All are great thickeners and PQ-10 would…
  • @shahimanshair This is a water based product so adding the non-ethoxlyated versions of those ingredients would be kind of counterproductive and pointless. The point of using the PEG-8 Beeswax is to make the formula water soluble so it washes out a h…
  • Isn't this Bonafide Hair Pomade? If you're a home crafter good luck finding one or two of those ingredients on that list. They aren't available in small quantities unfortunately. If I had to guess the formulation would look like this: Phase AWATERCE…
  • @Belassi how great that I came across this! I'm actually working on a lotion project at the moment to aide with eczema. My current formula is getting some good feedback, but to me is leaving something to be desired. I'll revise with some of your log…
  • @Chemist77 you don't find that cationic guar leaves a residue and suppresses foam?
  • @Chemist77 I was wondering the same thing. To my knowledge Peg-7 GC is a foam booster. I'm really curious to see what @Belassi's opinion is on that matter.
  • @Belassi I'm certainly not committed to the PG or the peg-7 GC. I the PG was used to dissolve the salicylic acid which is always such a pain. Once my order of Glyceryl Oleate gets in I'll replace the Peg-7 GC. I figured it'd make a good replacement.
  • I do remember. Glad everything worked out well for you! Good luck at the expo.
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