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  • rebelgreaser66

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    October 12, 2017 at 10:47 pm

    why do you use both? 

  • Chemist5000

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    October 12, 2017 at 10:52 pm

    its a very small percentage of the c-30. just to help out. I was thinking about removing it.  Have you experienced separation with the C-25 or C-20 on the bottom?

  • rebelgreaser66

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    October 12, 2017 at 11:05 pm
    No, I only use c-25 as a gelling agent
    I think you could use polysorbate 20 maybe or peg40 to help emulsify these ceteareth
  • Chemist5000

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    October 12, 2017 at 11:21 pm

    i actually have both of those.  about 2%?

  • rebelgreaser66

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    October 12, 2017 at 11:43 pm

    Try 4% 

  • rebelgreaser66

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    October 15, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    @Chemist5000 It work? 

  • Chemist5000

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    October 16, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    no it didn’t experienced separation. not sure what to do.

  • chemist77

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    October 16, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    @Chemist5000 & @Rebelgreaser66 I posted complete formula about 3-4 months back in one of the posts. Please look for it, I again suggest to go Ceteareth-20 way @30%. Use a combination of glycerol and propylene glycol @7% & 8% respectively. Heat ceteareth-20 separately and process st 85-90C. Add Polysorbate 20 @2% and avoid any resin if you want a clear product. Add fragrance and preservative just before pouring into containers. I have already commercialized the product and it is stable @ 45C for 2 months plus. 
    Hope this helps and you get the desired product.

  • Chemist5000

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    November 6, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    I am still having a little issue with separation with I stop mixing at 70°C. I am starting this at 90°C I am using Cetereath-20 at @20% so it would be so hard to scoop.  I noticed that I am getting 2 layers a larger white layer and then a Yellowish layer that may be a little lump (PVP k-90). I am not using Poly-20  but Peg-7 glyeryl Cocate and Peg 40-HCO.  I am thinking about change the PVP K-90 to styleze cc-10.  What do you think?

  • chemist77

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    November 7, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    I have got it right every time I do the trial. Just follow what I suggested, get the base right first before you add the additives.

  • Chemist5000

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    November 7, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    “Please look for it, I again suggest to go Ceteareth-20 way @30%. Use a combination of glycerol and propylene glycol @7% & 8% respectively. Heat ceteareth-20 separately and process st 85-90C. Add Polysorbate 20 @2%

    I am assuming you are speaking of this statement made earlier.  I will do it today.  One thing I do also is stop the mixing around 70C so the bubbles will dissapate .  Could this be causing the separation?  

  • Chemist5000

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    November 7, 2017 at 4:43 pm

    I have to add a fixative for hold to this …

  • chemist77

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    November 7, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    Add PVP  but remember it will disturb the clarity. Process at 85C since below that it is quite difficult to get a uniform product. I have used PVP K90 at upto 3% but compromised on clarity. IMO the hold of wax itself is perfect, I added PVP since customer was insisting. Should be slow mixing and you will have no issues.
    Good luck. 

  • Chemist5000

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    November 7, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    clarity is not a big issue with me right now.  I just want a working formulation.  thanks!

  • chemist77

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    November 7, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    That must work as I just gave you the commercial formula.

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