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Polyglyceryl-10 Stearate: From I never heard of you…to feeling like an algorithm.
Honestly, a few weeks ago, I had never heard of polyglyceryl-10 stearate. But after chasing a few rabbits down their respective holes, I am starting to feel like a Google algorithm keeps throwing this in my face.
I first came across it, when the marketing folks at Lonza touted it as the perfect pairing (co-emulsifier) for the PG-6-DS I was playing with. Granted they sell both, so of course they are going to pair one of their products with another of their products.
I came across it again today…when I was looking for a co-emulsifier that might excel with higher polarity ingredients. It was again, on a very short list.
So….what am I after? Anyone with experience using PG-10 Stearate…I would love to hear….what it did for you….or…. why you chose it….what you like about it….what you hate about it. What does adding it to a formula do to haptics….you know….anything of value on the topic.
Are there any other…more common monoesters, that will do the job just as well? I was looking to pair 165 up with a co-emulsifier…that would excel with some of the high polarity esters I love to play with. (Still also playing with PG-6-DS as well, in a different context.)
Aloha.
PS: While on the topic….and for bonus points…. What common emulsifiers would you categorize as…. working well with high polarity emollients?
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The Thai place has it, along with PG-10 isostearate and oleate if you want a liquid version and a bunch of other PG-10 esters too.Can’t remember having them seen there last time I placed an order…I suppose, of all the polyglyceryl esters, the 10 comes closest to 165? -
Pharma said:The Thai place has it, along with PG-10 isostearate and oleate if you want a liquid version and a bunch of other PG-10 esters too.Can’t remember having them seen there last time I placed an order…I suppose, of all the polyglyceryl esters, the 10 comes closest to 165?Yes…I’ve had it in my cart…and dumped it twice…due to high cost.
I think only one company mfg’s it….so they can ask…whatever they want. -
I didn’t like it just because PG6DS works better alone or with GMS.
Are you purchasing from thai and ship it to us?
If yes why don’t you purchase from china?
I know a supplier who produces all mono and polyglyceryls
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Abdullah said:I didn’t like it just because PG6DS works better alone or with GMS.
Define that please….. ‘works better‘? Is that a reference to better haptics….or a reference to stability?
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I don’t know if you are making products for your self or for sale.
I didn’t notice any difference with PG6DS alone or 1:1 with PG10S @1% emulsifier in stability or haptic because they are both stable and i am not good at noticing every haptic differences but i didn’t like it because it is a one big chunk emulsifier and ingredients like this take a lot of time and are very difficult to melt specially in large production batches.
This is a picture of how the sample i had received looks.
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I like PG6DS more than any of them and i have used a lot of polyglyceryls.
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Abdullah said:PG10S @1% emulsifier in stability or haptic because they are both stable and i am not good at noticing every haptic differences but i didn’t like it because it is a one big chunk emulsifier and ingredients like this take a lot of time and are very difficult to melt specially in large production batches.
This is a picture of how the sample i had received looks.
I think that is reason enough…to get it from the Thai place… It looks a little more manageable!
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Graillotion said:Abdullah said:PG10S @1% emulsifier in stability or haptic because they are both stable and i am not good at noticing every haptic differences but i didn’t like it because it is a one big chunk emulsifier and ingredients like this take a lot of time and are very difficult to melt specially in large production batches.
This is a picture of how the sample i had received looks.
I think that is reason enough…to get it from the Thai place… It looks a little more manageable!
You can ask them before purchasing if the product really looks like that.
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