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  • Need substitution for my formula

    Posted by NelyMarie on May 7, 2017 at 8:17 am

    Hello,

    This is actually my first discussion on this website!

    I have been adjusting my formula for liquid lipstick and was about to make a batch when I noticed that I don’t have any organic castor oil left (and I will not be supplied for another few weeks) so I need an effective substitute for it.

    Could I use extra virgin coconut oil or lecithin?

    Also, could anyone give me any options on how to preserve the liquid lipsticks? Is Vitamin E sufficient or do I need something else? I also have Phenoxyethanol.

    Thank you!

    Bill_Toge replied 6 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • johnb

    Member
    May 7, 2017 at 8:35 am

    Why not non-organic castor oil? There is nothing quite like castor oil.
    Coconut oil/lecithin would not be effective substitutes

    Regarding preservatives, what else is in the formulation? Vitamin E may act as an antioxidant but would have little or no effect as an antimicrobial preservative.

  • DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ

    Member
    May 7, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    What is the level of phenoxyethanol as1% should preserve it.

  • NelyMarie

    Member
    May 7, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    @johnb I wasn’t sure if going to a local shop to buy castor oil would be the best choice but I suppose it’s still better than using lecithin/coconut oil!
    Well, to name a few ingredients from the formula would be isododecane, dimethicone, organic beeswax, cetyl alcohol, etc

  • NelyMarie

    Member
    May 7, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    @DRBOB@VERDIENT.BIZ Thank you, I’ll be sure to use from 1%-2% !

  • johnb

    Member
    May 8, 2017 at 6:54 am

    The reason I asked about other ingredients was ascertain if there was a water content. As there seems not to be then the likelihood of micro-organism growth in the product is effectively nil. This does not mean that an antimicrobial preservative should not be included as there will be incidental contact with oral fluids (saliva) during use. Phenoxyethanol should be suitable or, if a stronger rose note is acceptable, phenethyl alcohol is good antimicrobial.

    Another point: Don’t become too dependent on your use of organic ingredients. The relevance of the term “organic” becomes lost when your product includes ingredients direct from the chemical factory e.g dimethicone, isododecane, cetyl alcohol.

  • Bill_Toge

    Member
    May 8, 2017 at 8:32 am

    also, I’d question whether that castor oil actually is organic, and if so, whether it’s legal for it to be sold for topical or food use

    none of our suppliers carry organic castor oil as a stock item; I believe the reason is because if they did, they wouldn’t be able to guarantee that it’s free of ricin

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