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  • help with my formula

    Posted by Glodie on September 10, 2022 at 11:41 am

    good day all i am not a chemist and based on my research i came up with this deep conditionner formula please help.
    water phase 
    water.                                                              77.5%
    centrimonium chloride.30%.                             3%
    glycerine                                                          3%
    Guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride.     0.5% for this is HEC a better option
     oil phase 
    coconut oil                                                          2%
    shea butter.                                                         1%
    btms 25 or 50depend on what will be available    4%
    cetyl alcohol                                                         3%
    dimethicone                                                          2%

    cool down
    vitamin e oil.   1%
    fragrance.        1%
    rosemary ess oil. 1%
    euxyl PE9010.      1%

    please help

    Glodie replied 1 year, 6 months ago 3 Members · 8 Replies
  • 8 Replies
  • oldperry

    Member
    September 10, 2022 at 2:45 pm

    What is your question?
    did you make the formula?
    what was the result/problem?

  • Glodie

    Member
    September 10, 2022 at 3:19 pm

    @Perry my question is to know if my formula is ok based on % i want to use
    ,yes i came up with the formula,i have not tested because the ingredients are quite expensive here in south africa so i dont want to buy something that i wont need thank u

  • oldperry

    Member
    September 10, 2022 at 4:16 pm

    I think you are starting with too many ingredients. For example cetrimonium chloride & BTMS do the same thing. There is not a good reason to have both. Similarly, coconut oil & shea butter have overlapping purposes. And when you use dimethicone you’ll override any effect of the oils so you don’t really need oils if using dimethicone.  You should also use something like Glyceryl Stearate to help emulsify the system.

  • Glodie

    Member
    September 10, 2022 at 4:24 pm

    @perry what would u recommend between the oil and dimethicone,and at what %should i use glyceryl stearate please

  • squinny

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 1:07 am

    Hi Glodie is it a leave in conditioner or wash out you are wanting to make? Agree with Perry (who knows far more about hair than I ever would!). I would make a simple formulation for starters using the least ingredients you can if cost is an issue and see how you go if you havent made before - Are you just making for yourself or to sell? BTMS-25 and 50 like a higher temperature to melt so be aware of that if you havent used before. (also grinding it to a powder before use makes it melt easier).
    If cost is an issue I would do something simple to start like this so it wont cost much 🙂 You dont have to use both oils below - whatever is cheaper for you 

    Simple
    Hair Conditioner
    Formula
    Heated water phase  
    Distilled water 81.25%
    Glycerine 3.00%
    Heated oil phase  
    Powdered BTMS-25 (grind your pellets) 4.00%
    Coconut Oil 4.00%
    Sunflower 4.00%
    Cool down phase  
    Preservative (euxyl PE9010) 1.00%
    Fragrance or essential oil of choice (like Rosemary) - Or
    increase to max safe limit and reduce Water
    0.75%
    Panthenol powder (vitamin B5) Or omit at this stage and have 2%
    more water
    2.00%
    Total 100.00%
  • Glodie

    Member
    September 11, 2022 at 7:54 pm

    @Squinny thank you for responding i am trying to make a wash out conditionner that has detangling properties

  • squinny

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 1:32 am

    What’s in hair conditioner, and how does it work? | Lab Muffin Beauty Science
    Maybe check out Lab Muffin blog and Super Simple Creamy Hair Conditioner: 3 Ways - Humblebee & Me (humblebeeandme.com) to get some simple ideas especillay if just home formulating. I have fine hair that doesnt tangle so it will also depend on your hairtype you are catering for 🙂 Hair: Types and care instructions (medicalnewstoday.com) I would start with the least ingredients and but small quantities if just starting out until you ae familiar with the ingredients and what works best for you - Once you have a formula you like then buy ingredients in larger sizes - Dont get carried away to begin with as you will find you have a lot of waste - work out what size bottles etc you want to make and just make a small batch at a time until you perfect your formula. Cheers 

  • Glodie

    Member
    September 12, 2022 at 6:12 am

    @Squinny thank you

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