Reducing Xanthan Gum Tackyness

tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
in Formulating
Hi there!

Is there any natural ingredient that can be used to reduce xanthan gum tackyness in a natural formulation? When I say natural, by the way, I'm refering to ingredients allowed by Ecocert (non-ethoxylates, natural derived, etc).

I'm thinking that maybe ethanol could help, but I'm not sure. Or maybe using a lower concentration of xanthan gum could be the most viable option. Anyways, what do you guys think? Anyone has experience with it?

I am looking forward to hearing from you and your experience.

Kind regards, 
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  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    Add some gum Arabic
  • PaprikPaprik Member
    How much of it are you using? 

    There are some better grades of XG on the market, try to investigate them. If you are using standard 200 Mesh, yeah, you will have some tackiness at higher inputs. However, we would really need to see the whole formula to see what else can cause it. 
  • GordofGordof Member
    Some ingredients that can reduce Takines of Xanthan gum depending on formulation are
    -Acacia Collagen (Lipoid)
    -SUCCINOGLYCAN (Reozahn SH Solvey)
    -As mentioned by Abdullah gum Arabic

    Adding some Oils that have a good long time Spreading curve


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  • evchem2evchem2 Member
    We might need to hear more about your system to be most helpful. Can you at least list the other ingredients in your formula? Isoamyl laurate, triethyl citrate can help with tack. Is it actually tackiness  (that sticky feeling), can you describe the sensory feeling you are unhappy with more?
  • tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
    Abdullah said:
    Add some gum Arabic
    Great! Thank you, Abdullah! 
  • tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
    Gordof said:
    Some ingredients that can reduce Takines of Xanthan gum depending on formulation are
    -Acacia Collagen (Lipoid)
    -SUCCINOGLYCAN (Reozahn SH Solvey)
    -As mentioned by Abdullah gum Arabic

    Adding some Oils that have a good long time Spreading curve


    Great, Gordof! I'll definitely see if I can test these options. Thank you!
  • tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
    evchem2 said:
    We might need to hear more about your system to be most helpful. Can you at least list the other ingredients in your formula? Isoamyl laurate, triethyl citrate can help with tack. Is it actually tackiness  (that sticky feeling), can you describe the sensory feeling you are unhappy with more?
    Thank you! It's a very simple gel formulation consisting in water, glycerin (around 3%), xanthan gum (around 0.5 to 2%) and preservative. I'll see if I can test the options that you pointed out. 
  • SquinnySquinny Member
    Instead of just Xanthan Gum why not buy a blend (INCI: Acacia Senegal Gum (and) Xanthan Gum) - it is more expensive but will last a long time if you are only using as a home formulator. Also depends on what viscosity you want for your formulation. Maybe do some research with something like thsi:
    A REVIEW ON NATURAL GUMS AND THEIR USE AS PHARMACEUTICAL EXCIPIENTS | INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES AND RESEARCH (ijpsr.com) ??
  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    At 3% Glycerin can also feel sticky. I would try reducing this first before you buy any new raw materials.
  • suswang8suswang8 Member
    0.5-2.0%?  That's quite a range.
  • tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
    Squinny said:
    Instead of just Xanthan Gum why not buy a blend (INCI: Acacia Senegal Gum (and) Xanthan Gum) - it is more expensive but will last a long time if you are only using as a home formulator. Also depends on what viscosity you want for your formulation. Maybe do some research with something like thsi:
    A REVIEW ON NATURAL GUMS AND THEIR USE AS PHARMACEUTICAL EXCIPIENTS | INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES AND RESEARCH (ijpsr.com) ??
    Yes, maybe using a blend can be an option! Thank you. 
  • tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
    ozgirl said:
    At 3% Glycerin can also feel sticky. I would try reducing this first before you buy any new raw materials.
    Great! I'll test it. Thank you!
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    @tecnico3vinia

    Try using Siligel
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals & Clean Beauty arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program/Clean At Sephora/Credo Clean guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

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  • tecnico3viniatecnico3vinia Member
    MarkBroussard said:
    @tecnico3vinia

    Try using Siligel
    Thank you, Mark! I'll try to request a sample of it. 
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