Best online resource describing individual preservatives and efficacy?

suswang8suswang8 Member
in Advanced Questions
I seem to remember stumbling upon a Web site in which several major (natural-ish) preservatives (e.g., phenoxyethanol, potassium sorbate, etc.) were listed, along with an indicator of how effective each was against bacteria (gram +/-), fungus, and yeast.  Does anyone know where this might be housed?  Thank you.

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  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    some information chapter 7 - https://www.anme.com.mx/libros/Cosmetic Microbiology - A Practical Approach.pdf
  • CedarSCedarS Member
    I just came across this link today, not sure of the source. Preservatives for Cosmetics: Chemistries & Selection Tips (specialchem.com)
  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    edited December 2021
    This is a useful tool. It will of course recommend a Lonza product, but you should be able to find similar products in just about everyone's preservative lines. https://microbialmanagement.arxada.com/Apps/FormulaProtect

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  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    Was it this website


  • vitalysvitalys Member
    @PhilGeis You shared just an invaluable book, I would say literally a text book. I think anyone in the world of cosmetic formulating should read it and learn from cover to cover. 
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    There is a 3rd ed (2020) that includes more info - natural and multifunctional preservatives/preservation, detailed manufacturing etc. but it's kinda pricey.

    https://www.amazon.com/Cosmetic-Microbiology-Practical-Philip-Geis/dp/1138732915/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Geis+cosmetic+microbiology&qid=1639503581&sr=8-2
  • vitalysvitalys Member
    @PhilGeis Yes, it is but this book can not be inexpensive. I have read 3d edition too
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    @vitalys do you have the PDF of 3d edition? 
  • vitalysvitalys Member
    No, I have got a book
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    @vitalys ok 
    Can you take picture that what that book has said about these preservatives

    Formalin
    Hydroxyacetophenone
    Glyceryl Caprylate


  • vitalysvitalys Member
    @Abdullah Sorry, I don't think it is ethically correct. You may ask an editor of this book, @PhilGeis about it directly. The book is also available to purchase or order. 
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    Right - not legally either.
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    edited December 2021
    vitalys said:
    @Abdullah Sorry, I don't think it is ethically correct. You may ask an editor of this book, @PhilGeis about it directly. The book is also available to purchase or order. 
    WOW 
    That is very fortunate that the author(Philip A. Geis) is PhilGeis. I would have ask him directly if I knew that. 

    The problem is i am in Afghanistan and can't purchase online because of recent problems with banks in our country for now. 

    @PhilGeis any comments on hydroxyacetophenone and glyceryl Caprylate.

    I like hydroxyacetophenone for for leave on Products because of the claims it has and glyceryl Caprylate in shampoo because i am using decyl Glucoside, phenoxyethanol and Amodimethicone and without glyceryl Caprylate it is very hard to get enough viscosity. But am not sure how helpful they would be for preservation
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    I've never used hydroxyacetophenone and not aware of any significant data that supports it as preservative. 
    Glyceryl caprylate.  Too susceptible to microbial esterases - and pseudomonads have plenty. 
    So don't think either will help much for preservation. 

    I know you asked about formnaldehyde releasers - can you use those?
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    PhilGeis said:
    I've never used hydroxyacetophenone and not aware of any significant data that supports it as preservative. 
    Glyceryl caprylate.  Too susceptible to microbial esterases - and pseudomonads have plenty. 
    So don't think either will help much for preservation. 

    I know you asked about formnaldehyde releasers - can you use those?
    Yes I can
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    I sure would.  Add EDTA and maybe benzoic acid.  If no stability issues - I think you'd do well.
    Are you making it yourself?
  • ngarayeva001ngarayeva001 Member
    PhilGeis said:
    some information chapter 7 - https://www.anme.com.mx/libros/Cosmetic Microbiology - A Practical Approach.pdf
    Thank you @PhilGeis for sharing your book. This is incredibly nice of you. The table 7.3 is a treasure! 
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    PhilGeis said:
    I sure would.  Add EDTA and maybe benzoic acid.  If no stability issues - I think you'd do well.
    Are you making it yourself?
    Thanks 
    Yes i make the products myself. 

    As i am importing almost all the ingredients i use from another countries, i have to purchase in large quantities otherwise the shipping cost would be too much. 

    Currently i have some preservatives that i have to use, when they are finished i have plan to use DMDM hydantoin both is shampoo and lotions. 
  • suswang8suswang8 Member
    Hi, all.
    I think I had actually been thinking of this one:
    https://www.olionatura.de/rohstofftabellen/konservierertabelle.php

    but there are a few ones "missing," such as phenethyl alcohol.  Either way, still a great, concise resource for those who are natural-focused.
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    suswang8 said:
    Hi, all.
    I think I had actually been thinking of this one:
    https://www.olionatura.de/rohstofftabellen/konservierertabelle.php

    but there are a few ones "missing," such as phenethyl alcohol.  Either way, still a great, concise resource for those who are natural-focused.
    Most are "natural": only by the Ecocert/COSMOS "credentialing".  Be cautious of all incl penethyl alcohol.  It can partition into packaging material.
  • suswang8suswang8 Member
    Is the penetration into packaging your main concern, or you have others (including for phenethyl alcohol)?
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
    edited December 2021
    Phenethyl (Rose ether) has a rose odor that may clash with perfume.  Not on directives and  not that effective - certainly < phenoxy.   
    None are that great - esp. in a shampoo/conditioner context - and very few on directives (odd for a German publication).  You'll find little safety data for many. 

    Ferment Leucidal is vey weak abnd reportedly adulterated ala GSE https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf5063588.

    Ethanol demands 20%. Lesser levels are not 'sehr gut" any more than the rest of those with this silliness.

    One combination I know is effective benzyl alcohol/benzoate is labeled limited (small)

    Magnolia extract like "Parfum" is another uncharacterized/ uncontrolled magic potion.

    Glyeryl caprylate is pseudomonas ester food.

    Combined organic acids are just that - organic acids - none is sehr gut.



  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Leucidal always cracks me up.
    Learn to formulate cosmetics
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