Amodimethicone emulsion for Shampoo instead of PQ10
Abdullah
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I currently make Shampoo with SLES/CAPB as surfactant and %0.3 polyquaternium 10 as conditioning Agent. Making process is pretty easy and don't need anything special to care about.
I want to replace polyquaternium 10 with an Amodimethicone emulsion soon. In another discussion @chemicalmatt has said adding Amodimethicone to shampoo needs a separate discussion and Long answer or even a seminar.
So
1. what is difference for adding Amodimethicone emulsion than adding PQ10 in Shampoo?
2. Does it help with wet/dry combing and hair feel if used at %0.3 active Amodimethicone better or same as %0.3 PQ10?
3. Does it need any special process?
4. Is these anything else i should know?
because MOQ is 50kgs, imported from another country, that would be a big loss if it didn't go well.
I want to replace polyquaternium 10 with an Amodimethicone emulsion soon. In another discussion @chemicalmatt has said adding Amodimethicone to shampoo needs a separate discussion and Long answer or even a seminar.
So
1. what is difference for adding Amodimethicone emulsion than adding PQ10 in Shampoo?
2. Does it help with wet/dry combing and hair feel if used at %0.3 active Amodimethicone better or same as %0.3 PQ10?
3. Does it need any special process?
4. Is these anything else i should know?
because MOQ is 50kgs, imported from another country, that would be a big loss if it didn't go well.
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I want to use it for it's conditioning effect.
The amodimethicone emulsion will have very little effect on viscosity in terms of thickening, but some microemulsions (used in clear shampoo formulations) will reduce viscosity over time and your shampoo formulation may require a non-ionic thickener to reduce this interaction. If you are creating an opaque formulation, I'd recommend using a macroemulsion instead to have the smallest impact on viscosity. You will, however, need to make sure your thickener has suspending ability as once all those tiny emulsified particles are distributed in your finished formulation, the thickener in the raw material won't be able to maintain its stability in the overall formulation.
About MOQ - you should be able to ask for a lab sample (might be 100-500g) to test out in your formulation on a smaller lab scale before committing to the 50kg purchase.
Thanks for sharing your opinions.
My Shampoo is opaque. What is the difference between macroemulsion and microemulsions specially for Amodimethicone emulsion?
Currently i am using NACL to thicken the system. Is that enough for suspension of Amodimethicone in shampoo?
If not, would HPMC, cationic guar or PQ10 stabilize the suspension?
A macroemulsion has a larger particle size and higher active level of silicone, so appears as a white emulsion. If your shampoo is already opaque, I would recommend using a macroemulsion.
A microemulsion has a lower level of active and a lower particle size, but with the benefit of being clear.
Try the system thickened with NaCl and using a macroemulsion and see if it works for you.
As in my previous post, I would recommend using the PQ-10 and amodimethicone emulsion together for better deposition and therefore better conditioning from the amodimethicone on the hair, otherwise most of the silicone you include will wash away in the foam.
Hope you are fine.
I have purchased Amodimethicone emulsion and will receive it soon.
From PQ10 jr400 and guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, which one helps the deposition of Amodimethicone better?
And at how much use level minimum?