Vitamin C Serum Formula

RimshahRimshah Member
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Hello Friends! I am going to buy a vitamin C serum with vitamin E and Ferulic acid. In the market, this serum costs a lot. But I have got a quotation really cheap. Price of 30ml dark glass bottle is USD 3.15 without taxes and shipping charges. Company is in China with over 11 years of experience.

Ingredients:
Water , Ethoxydiglycol , 15 % L'Ascorbic Acid , Dipropylene Glycol , Glycerin , 1 % Alpha Tocopherol , Laureth - 23 , Phenoxyethanol , Triethanolamine , Hyaluro nic Acid , 0.5 % Ferulic Acid , DL - Panthenol 

Please let me know it's possible to manufacturer this serum in this price? 

I would highly appreciate your response. Thank you so much!
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  • jemolianjemolian Member
    Price can be relative to the cost and the bulk you are producing, however that said, are you sure you are not infringing the loreal patent for the CEF serum? You might want to check out the details of the patent before deciding because a company has been sued recently. 
  • RimshahRimshah Member
    @jemolian Thanks a lot for highlighting this point. I didn't know that this formula is copy. I just approached the company in China for vitamin C serum and they gave me this formula with the price. 

    I don't know about the formulations, as short on budget I can buy the company products with private label only. Could you recommend any company? Thank you!
  • PattsiPattsi Member
    Are you talking about starting a cosmetics brand or personal use?

    If you want to start a brand, there are many professional chemists in this forum, you can contact them.

    If it's for personal use, you can buy L-Ascorbic Acid powder and other ingredients and make a small bottle for yourself. It's very cheap.
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    @rimshah:

    This is virtually a direct knock-off of the Skinceuticals CE Ferulic Serum and would appear to be in violation of the LOreal/Skinceuticals patent which is still valid.  The company in China tried to cover themselves by altering one ingredient, but I don't think that would fly in court if challenged as a violation of patent.  I think you're tempting fate here and might find yourself caught up in a lawsuit if LOreal gets wind of this.


    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com
  • RimshahRimshah Member
    @pattsi Thank you for your suggestion. I am going to start my own brand. 

    @MarkBroussard I have read about it recently. L'Oréal sued drunk elephant in 2018. What I read now is that loreal holds patent of pH 2.5-3.0, means no one can use this pH to formulate vitamin CE Ferulic acid serum. So, I am thinking to formulate my product at 3.1 pH, what do you say? 

    New Ingredient list they offered is:

    Water , Ethoxydiglycol , 15 % L'Ascorbic Acid , Dipropylene Glycol , Glycerin , 1 % Alpha Tocopherol , polysorbate 80 , Phenoxyethanol , arbutin , Sodium Hydroxide , sodium hyaluronate , 0.5 % Ferulic Acid , DL - Panthenol 

    Please let me know it would be legal to formulate product with this ingredient list and pH 3.1?

    Thanks in advance!
  • PattsiPattsi Member
    I see, you're starting a brand - Then my humble advice, don't attempt that route, it's not worth it when you caught up in lawsuit.

    This isn't the only vitamin C serum formula, in my opinion it is not that good tho it's just well advertised.

    Have your local formulator come up with your own vitamin C serum will be cheaper, if you ship it from China there're INTERCOM/FEE/TAX etc. to be accounted too. 
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    @Rimshah:

    The Skinceuticals patent covers a pH range up to 3.5.  Honestly, I would not fool around with a company based in China who obviously has no issue proposing a formula to you that would violate the L'Oreal patent.  If they cannot be more creative than knocking-off someone else's patented product ... well, it all gets down to a lack of business ethics and lack of creativity.
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com
  • RimshahRimshah Member
    Thanks a lot @pattsi and @MarkBroussard for your valuable suggestions. I will start my brand in future with a unique formula when I will have resources. 
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