Vit C: good or bad?


  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    The person who wrote this provides a great example of the Dunning Kruger effect. They seem to have learned a tiny bit and wildly and incorrectly extrapolated on a subject for which they are quite clueless.

    For example, EDTA is not a cosmetic preservative. It's a chelating agent.
    Ingredients are not chosen by marketers, advertisers, and salespeople sitting around meetings coming up with ideas.
    Vitamin C doesn't cause acne.

    I would encourage the marketer of Oumere products to spend more time focused on coming up with reasons why someone should buy their products, and less time disparaging other products that they don't make. It's just terrible marketing & bad form.
  • That is where I stopped reading. When they said EDTA is a preservative.
  • It's odd that she speaks down on the ability of a chemist to know biology. Just because a person has a degree in chemistry doesn't mean that they don't know how to research, read literature, and come to conclusions that are scientifically sound. That is rather elitist, and I'm a person whose background is biochemistry not even chemistry...
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @lewhitak - and when you get a degree in Chemistry, you take a lot of courses in biology.

  • Bill_TogeBill_Toge Member, Professional Chemist
    edited December 2019
    I had a sense of deja vu reading this, and sure enough, we had a thread on this author a few months ago:
    @lewhitak the other thing to bear in mind is that industrial chemists and academic chemists are completely different beasts; due to the nature of their work, (good) industrial chemists acquire a very broad knowledge base comprising significant elements of engineering, microbiology and human psychology
    by contrast, academic chemists tend to be narrowly focussed and highly specialist
    UK based cosmetic chemist with 13 years' experience at the bench. I've worked with pretty much everything apart from pressed powders, soap, solid lipstick and aerosols.
  • @Perry Good point!

    @Bill_Toge Very true as well. There are many things I have learned on the job that I never would have been exposed to otherwise in an academic pathway. 

     At least her packaging is interesting....
  • They forgot to mention that in the 70s some people took several GRAMS of vitamin C a day
    and none of them had great, smooth skin from it.
    Vitamin C is useless (unless you're truly deficient).
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    I find it most interesting that she provides absolutely no scientific support that her products actually work.

    It's a weird marketing schtick:  Products Developed By Chemists - Bad; Vitamin C Serums - Bad; Marketing - Bad; My products are better because I have a degree in Biology - Good; I sell a simple combination of carrier oils with a couple of other ingredients for over $100 an ounce - Very Good

    The overly broad generalizations are laughable ... you have a degree in Chemistry therefore you cannot possibly understand biology.

    Oh well ... one thing humanity never has to worry about is a shortage of idiots
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals & Clean Beauty arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program/Clean At Sephora/Credo Clean guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    See website for details
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    edited December 2019
    It's also interesting that we've seen two posts from this same obscure website.

    I thought they would prompt interesting enough discussions so I left them up, but I wouldn't be surprised if the originators of both discussions may not be completely independent from that website. 
  • Oh no, Perry! This site popped up in first page while googling for vitamin c and blackheads c blackheads
    Amoung several unusual statemants, I was surprised reading that edta  promotes vit C oxidation, but I put it in my C serum exactly for the opposite reason. I new I could rely on reassurement of your knowlege. Thank you all!
  • I will not feel frustrated of you think better to remove this misinforming content from the forum. Sorry for posting.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @maria - No need to apologize. It is my mistake and I'm sorry for implying you were being disingenuous. Please don't think you did anything wrong. This was an interesting topic. 

    Running websites and being online for so many years and interacting with trolls has made me a little more cynical than I should be. Please don't let me discourage your activity and continue to post whatever you think will be interesting and helpful. :smile:  

  • mariamaria Member
    edited December 2019
    @Perry I don't know how, but you manage to keep this forum polite, respectful and interesting of course. Open to anyone. A great place to learn. Thanks to you and to all generous members.
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