Ingridient that can enhance detangling and softening in a conditioner formulated for kinky hair!!

MarynicoleMarynicole Member
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I am in need of Ingridients that i can add to my conditioners especially leave in conditioner to enhance its softening and detangling properties...i am formulating for aftrican kinky and coily hair and its main problem is detangling and softening. I have used btms 50, centrimonium chloride but it dosnt do much even at its recommended %. Is there any other cationic surfactant or ingredient that can enhance detangling and most especially softening kinky hair..
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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Silicones.  Dimethicone or Cyclomethicone.
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  • MarynicoleMarynicole Member
    @Perry..thanks forbthe reply...do u mind stating in what % especially in leave in products. Then anything cationic that can also work?
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    edited October 2018
    For Cyclomethicone you could go up to 2%.  For Dimethicone it would be more like 0.5%

    Cocotrimonium Chloride at 0.25% could work too.
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  • GuntherGunther Member
    BTMS50 + silicone ranks among the top detanglers conditioners

    How much are you using @Marynicole
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    Check if any of the Polyquaterniums could be of use here. 
  • MarynicoleMarynicole Member
    Perry said:
    For Cyclomethicone you could go up to 2%.  For Dimethicone it would be more like 0.5%

    Cocotrimonium Chloride at 0.25% could work too.
    Ok noted ...is cocotrimonium different from centrimonium chloride? 
  • MarynicoleMarynicole Member
    Gunther said:
    BTMS50 + silicone ranks among the top detanglers conditioners

    How much are you using @Marynicole
    I use btms 50 3%, dimethicone 1% , i dont have cyclomethicone and polyquat readily available in my country...but i can look for it....can this ingridient soften the hair too?
  • MarynicoleMarynicole Member
    Chemist77 said:
    Check if any of the Polyquaterniums could be of use here. 
    Which of the polyquat would u recommend thats good in conditioners please? I also need sumfin that can soften the hair...does cationic guar help out?
  • GuntherGunther Member
    You should be getting enough conditioning/detangling out of 3% BTMS-50 + 1% dimethicone, especially since it is a leave on product.
    For how long do you leave it on?

    You can try adding polyquaternium 10 or 7, or cationic guar
    but IDK if they'll outperform BTMS+silicone.

    You may wish to switch to a milder shampoo, shampoo less often
    or switch to a cleansing conditioner, or washing your hair with conditioner (co-wash).
    Conditioners can only do so much if you have dry hair, and frequently shampoo.

    AFAIK there's no magic bullet but we'll see what the more experienced guys have to say.
  • MarynicoleMarynicole Member
    Gunther said:
    You should be getting enough conditioning/detangling out of 3% BTMS-50 + 1% dimethicone, especially since it is a leave on product.
    For how long do you leave it on?

    You can try adding polyquaternium 10 or 7, or cationic guar
    but IDK if they'll outperform BTMS+silicone.

    You may wish to switch to a milder shampoo, shampoo less often
    or switch to a cleansing conditioner, or washing your hair with conditioner (co-wash).
    Conditioners can only do so much if you have dry hair, and frequently shampoo.

    AFAIK there's no magic bullet but we'll see what the more experienced guys have to say.
    Ok thank you so much....i will probably add one of the polyquat ...and see what ot will do bcs i am both keen on getting detangling n softening properties especially softening.
  • GuntherGunther Member
    Since it's a leave on product, you can emulsify some coconut oil with BTMS it may help replenish some oils that are stripped away by shampoo.

    It that still doesn't work, switching to a milder shampoo, or shampooing less often seems unavoidable.
  • TaurielTauriel Member
    Hello there, I'm new here and this is rather a late comment coming in. I couldn't help but mention that I've come across a brassicamidopropyl dimethylamine cationic agent supposedly marketed as better than cetrimonium chloride. I don't know how well it actually works as I am just about to try it out. It may work for you?

  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    edited January 2019
    @Marynicole  i guess it  is from the best adequat polyquaternium for your product  called polyquaternium 87 ( luviquat sensation).


  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    You could also try adding some Betaine to enhance moisturization of the hair and Sensoveil SIL (Orbignya Speciosa Kernel Oil (and) Hydrogenated Soybean Oil (and) Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil (and) Linum Usitatissimum (Linseed) Seed Oil) from Chemyunion for detangling.
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    See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com
  • LisaniLisani Member
    edited January 2019
    Hi, I would recommend to include Incroquat TMS-50 by Croda, a cationic emulsifier and active ingredient for softening requirements, it’s working very very good (personal experience).
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