Replacing some ingredients

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Dear all 
I'm into new project to produce cream and depends on the sources I can get from supplier the cost of the cream is very high to compitte with other cream available in market,  so please I will post soon some of the ingredients if I can get any advice of an alternative safe replacement to use in my project 

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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Without the ingredient list, you're not going to get much advice.
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  • Unknown Member
    The ingredients list 
    1- glycerin
    2- Carbomer 
    3- petroleum jelly
    4- Cetyl Alcohol 
    5- Dimethicone 
    6- liquid German plus 

    This the ingredients I'm trying to found and alternative choice to replace is , please any advice 
  • EVchemEVchem Member
    So you want alternatives that are cheaper? Honestly those aren't (in my experience) expensive raw materials, and they can get much cheaper the more you are willing to buy in bulk. 
    Where are you located? That's also going to determine which suppliers you can use
  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    The only one that would be cheaper is, you could substitute liquid Belgian for the liquid German.
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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @Bilalkhaz - You still need to provide more information to give you a good answer.  All the things that @EVchem mentions would be important to know. 

    Also, the specific formula would be helpful too. 

    @Belassi - lol  :D
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  • BiochemistBiochemist Member
    @doreen he’s at it again ??. Never miss a beat @Belassi
  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    We did try liquid Russian at one time. It was incredibly cheap but it came as an alcoholic tincture.
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  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    :) :) :)
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  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    But honestly, at least an initial review of his list of ingredients shows that in most cases he is not likely to find a less expensive alternative or more easily obtainable material. The list is made-up of what could be called Cosmetic essentials (Glycerin, Carbomer (grade?), Petrolatum, Cetyl alcohol, Dimethicone and a very widely used preservative).
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  • Unknown Member
    First thank you all for the nice reviews. 
    I'm located in Africa nigeria I move my factory not while ago from lebanon to nigeria ibadan estate because of the cheaper handwork here .

    The formula I'm planning to use is 

    Cocoa cream : 

    Water 2250 L
    EDTA 4.5 L
    Glycerin 150 
    Carbomer 4.5
    Petroleum jelly 105
    Paraffin 90
    Cetyl Alcohol 90
    Cocoa butter 60kg
    Dimethicone 15
    Camwood 9
    Stearic acid 120
    Tea 8
    Aloe Vera 1.5
    Honey 15
    Methyl paraben 15
    Propyl paraben 30

    Thus formula to produce 500 carton or 250ml 
    Cream 

    Please advise I get some info that xanthan Gum 
    And collagen can help is some replacement 
    I want to replace wish cheaper because is not available much here in Nigeria. 

    Bilal khazaal 
  • Unknown Member
    I'm looking for alternative that can do same job so I can start looking for others supplier but also want something can match my formula.  :( 
  • Unknown Member
    @Perry OK sir 
  • Unknown Member
    @AustinDavid thanks sir 
  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    edited July 2018
    Mar haba.
    That's the problem you created with raw material supply, I am quite familiar with Nigeria, watch out for the mosquitoes, have you had malaria yet? If not, you soon will. I'd move back if I were you. In my opinion, you have the proportions of methyl vs ethyl parabens reversed. And why are you including honey... 
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  • Dr Catherine PrattDr Catherine Pratt Member
    edited July 2018
    @Bilalhazk I agree with @Belassi why honey? tea? and you can probably find a butter that is cheaper, shea is cheaper here, but not sure over there.

    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • EVchemEVchem Member
    @bilalhazk I doubt this is the case but by "tea" do you mean TEA (triethanolamine)? to neutralize your carbomer?


  • Dr Catherine PrattDr Catherine Pratt Member
    @bilalhazk sorry I didn’t realise you are making a cocoa cream . @EVchem he didn’t put the tea in caps. @Bilalkhaz you can ding can find xanthan gum in food stores, you only need a tiny amount to add to glycerin, just trying to help
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • DoreenDoreen Member
    @Biochemist
    Thanks for tagging me, lol!!! Liquid German, reminds me somehow of Terminator II. :joy: :joy:

  • DoreenDoreen Member
    @Biochemist
    (about the Terminator II referral: I forgot it was the other Terminator guy who was liquid (metal), lol!)
  • BiochemistBiochemist Member
    @Doreen ?? he’s moved on from liquid German and is now concerned about malaria (☝?Post). Apologies all for sidetracking this interesting thread
  • DoreenDoreen Member
    @Biochemist
    :joy:  :joy:
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