have you changed your supplier and notice a difference in your product?

hey everyone i recently purchase some ingredients but i found other sites that have the same thing for cheaper but i will be using what i got now and when there done order from the other suppliers!!! have anyone changed suppliers and notice a difference in their product? or it still works the same and any advice you will be able to give me

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  • GraillotionGraillotion Member
    edited March 3
    OMG..... There is HUGE differences between re-packers.  Buy the smallest amount first...and compare to what you are using.  My trash can is FULL of cheaper products.  Many products from reputable re-sellers are so sub par they cannot be used in discerning products.

    I buy every ingredient from each of my 5 suppliers...compare on skin neat, and then buy the best, no matter the price.

    I will tell you this, Here are my top 5 repackers....and I will also tell you whom has the best oil most often...and the best butters ALL of the time.

    New Directions .... Typically wins the oil quality test
    Make Your Own.... Best butters... refined in Denmark..runner up on oils.
    Formulators Sample Shop
    Lotion Crafters
    Noble Roots.... is phasing out small sales...but had amazing quality.  Example...their Mac Nut Oil is Floratech...simply the best. 

    Stuff from Amazon or e-bay....don't bother even trying....straight to the trash.  (Not just low quality....usually fake.)



  • jemolianjemolian Member
    Always check with the reseller or repacker if they are from the same manufacturers to keep the material as consistent as possible. Some materials might have inconsistencies from batch to batch, so you will have to take note on that even if it's from the same manufacturer.  
  • Hey @Graillotion, I'm just wondering if you have an opinion on Essential Wholesale, Wholesale Supplies Plus and Making Cosmetics?
  • PhilGeisPhilGeis Member, Professional formulator
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  • GraillotionGraillotion Member
    edited March 3
    Hey @Graillotion, I'm just wondering if you have an opinion on Essential Wholesale, Wholesale Supplies Plus and Making Cosmetics?
    I use MC extensively, as they are one of the few sources of some of the unique specialty items I use.  Couldn't live without them.  However I have never tried their oils and butters.

    Essential Wholesale....I just never got around to trying them.  But I believe they are reputable.
  • GraillotionGraillotion Member
    edited March 3
    jemolian said:
    Always check with the reseller or repacker if they are from the same manufacturers to keep the material as consistent as possible. Some materials might have inconsistencies from batch to batch, so you will have to take note on that even if it's from the same manufacturer.  
    By its very nature....Natural products vary from batch to batch....or they wouldn't be natural. :wink:

    The more refined a natural product is....the less variation you will get batch to batch...hence the MYO Danish butters....are extremely consistent, batch to batch.
  • abieroseabierose Member
    Hey @Graillotion, I'm just wondering if you have an opinion on Essential Wholesale, Wholesale Supplies Plus and Making Cosmetics?
    I use these three resellers often and haven't had any issues thus far with any of them. Essential Wholesale is nice because you can get sample sizes of any of their products. Their natural fragrance oils are really nice too. They are also one of the fastest when it comes to shipping. Wholesale Supplies Plus has some decent products and good prices but it takes 2-3 weeks to get your order and  they do not carry anything organic. Making Cosmetics has a lot of cool products and label appeal ingredients. They ship orders out fairly quickly but they can be a bit pricey. Anyway, just my 2 cents :wink:
  • OMG..... There is HUGE differences between re-packers.  Buy the smallest amount first...and compare to what you are using.  My trash can is FULL of cheaper products.  Many products from reputable re-sellers are so sub par they cannot be used in discerning products.

    I buy every ingredient from each of my 5 suppliers...compare on skin neat, and then buy the best, no matter the price.

    I will tell you this, Here are my top 5 repackers....and I will also tell you whom has the best oil most often...and the best butters ALL of the time.

    New Directions .... Typically wins the oil quality test
    Make Your Own.... Best butters... refined in Denmark..runner up on oils.
    Formulators Sample Shop
    Lotion Crafters
    Noble Roots.... is phasing out small sales...but had amazing quality.  Example...their Mac Nut Oil is Floratech...simply the best. 

    Stuff from Amazon or e-bay....don't bother even trying....straight to the trash.  (Not just low quality....usually fake.)



    thank you so much for this yes lol I will never purchase ingredients from amazon the supplier what I'm using is 
    lotion crafter 
    bulk apothecary 
    formulator sample shop 
    wholesale supplier plus 
    essential wholesale 
    and ingredients to die for 

    and i will looking on all there website to see who has the cheapest price for example i bought most of my thing from lotion crafter but i notice ingredients to die for have cheaper so i was going to switch when the ingredients are done 
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    thank you so much for this yes lol I will never purchase ingredients from amazon the supplier what I'm using is 
    lotion crafter 
    bulk apothecary 
    formulator sample shop 
    wholesale supplier plus 
    essential wholesale 
    and ingredients to die for 

    and i will looking on all there website to see who has the cheapest price for example i bought most of my thing from lotion crafter but i notice ingredients to die for have cheaper so i was going to switch when the ingredients are done 
    Note on ITDF..... There are over a month out on shipping.... so allow for that!
    I use two of their exclusive products....and it has really put a kink in my supply chain.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    I worked at a large manufacturer.  The Purchasing department was always finding better deals on ingredients from different suppliers, so they frequently wanted to switch suppliers.

    However, to use a different supplier for a raw material we would have to conduct a full stability test on 3 different lots of the raw material from the new supplier, plus do a panel test with consumers to ensure there was no perceived difference in performance. 

    We even went through the same procedure when a raw material supplier started making an ingredient at a different manufacturing plant.

    In no case did we ever just switch without doing a significant amount of testing.
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    @tianaloveorganics:

    The issue with purchasing materials from re-packers is that it may be the same INCI, but not the same ingredient.

    For instance:  If you purchase Behentrimonium Chloride from Making Cosmetics, it may well be different compositionally from Behentrimonium Chloride that you purcahase from Lotioncrafter.  It all depends on who is the original manufacturer of the ingredient.

    If Making Cosmetics purchases its Behentrimonium from Rita Corp and Lotioncrafter purchases it from Croda ... even though the INCI of both may be Behentrimonium Chloride, they will be different products and behave/perform differently.  Maybe no huge difference, but certainly some differences.

    So, you really need to compare the CAS numbers and SDS sheets and Compositional Analysis to understand if they are truly the same material.
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com
  • EXCELLENT points from Perry and Mark.  If you are going to provide a quality and consistent product, you need quality and consistent suppliers....chasing the low cost leader...will ultimately probably cause your venture to fail.
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