Anti static agent

ZaraZara Member
edited January 12 in Formulating
Hi,
I am looking for some natural Anti static agents for hair conditioners.
I am thinking to remove  Behentrimonium Chloride, Cetrimonium Chloride, Polyquat-10 & 7 and Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride from my from my formulas.
What is your opinion on Truefeel 20 to 200? which one can do a better job at what % to reduce statics. DO you have any favorite? Thank you for your help in advance
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  • chemicalmattchemicalmatt Member, Professional Chemist
    Never heard of Truefeel. Why switch from the alkyl quats anyway? Behenyl quat has a Natural Origin Content of >0.80.  PQ-10 is based on a cellulose backbone, Guar HPTC on a natural polysaccharide. Even soyamidopropyl ethyldimonium ethosulfate (SOMEBODY please abbreviate that moniker!), the only quat approved by Whole Foods, is NOC ~ 0.80, doesn't work as well as any you mentioned....perhaps do nothing?     
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    This does point to the folly of natural standard formulating. The products are just going to be inferior in performance. The reason the ingredients we use are used is because they work the best. If there was some "natural" ingredient that worked better, that's what the industry would be using. 
    Learn to formulate cosmetics
  • ZaraZara Member
     Thank you both, the INCI name of Trufeel is Diheptyl Succinate, Capryloyl Glycerin/Sebacic Acid Copolymer which is simillar to LexFeel®. Have you had any experiments on it? do you think it could lend a good anti-staic property to my conditioner? Thanks

  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    Have you considered Emulsense HC from Inolex. I haven't tried it yet but it is described as a quat free hair conditioner and is derived solely from fermentation and plant sources.
  • ZaraZara Member
    edited January 16
    @ ;ozgirl , thank you. The Emulsense HC seems like a good option but it preserved with phenoxyethanol :(  and we have to list it on the label. We just changed our preservative because of phenoxyethanol.  Thanks again
  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    @Zara Where did you read that Emulsense HC was preserved with Phenoxyethanol? Inolex describes it as 100% biobased. It is both COSMOS and ECOCERT approved and both of these schemes do not allow phenoxyethanol.
  • chemicalmattchemicalmatt Member, Professional Chemist
    @Zara You may expect zero anti-stat activity with that Truefeel material from Inolex and nearly zero with Emulsense HC, which is pseudo-cationic. Alky/aryl quaternary compounds or LOTS of  triglyceride oils (i.e. olive oil) will negate static charge. If you can live with a lot of olive oil in your hair, then so be it, or combo up with the Emulsense HC.
  • ZaraZara Member
    ozgirl , sorry for the mistake I made. Emulsense HC doesn't contain phenoxyethanol and I mixed up with another ingredient. I've just bought some Emulsense HC as you suggested to do some experiments on. I have super fine and super charged hair and if this ingredient kills static on my hair, it means it works for everyone  :) 
    Thanks everyone for all your help.
  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    @Zara Thanks for the update. I thought I had missed something.
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