Hair Detangling spray

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hello, I make organic hair detangler and would like recommendations on how to mix water and oil.
1) water.  82%
2) coconut oil    5%
3) olive oil.        5%
4) jojoba oil.    2%
5) rosemare oil 2%
6) castor oil. 2%
7) tea tree oil 2%
8) fragrance
9) vitamins E oil 1%
I would like to keep it organic, 
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  • You'll have to find an organic emulsifier although, I'm not sure what you classify as "organic"? 
  • 1) A ridiculously high amount of essential oils.
    2) A very high amount of carrier oils
    3) Too much of vitamin e

    there is no such thing as "organic" detangler. Good detanglers must include cationic compounds and silicones. The only thing the concoction above can do is to make hair greasy.
  • natzam44 said:
    You'll have to find an organic emulsifier although, I'm not sure what you classify as "organic"? 
    By organic I mean natural and not chemical.
  • 1) A ridiculously high amount of essential oils.
    2) A very high amount of carrier oils
    3) Too much of vitamin e

    there is no such thing as "organic" detangler. Good detanglers must include cationic compounds and silicones. The only thing the concoction above can do is to make hair greasy.
    Ok, thanks. I will make adjustment with the oils and try some other formula.
  • svensven Member
    Where you based Seun?
  • sven said:
    Where you based Seun?
    Nigeria
  • Can you define "natural"? The answer is, you can't. It's not defined.
    It's not about trying different combinations of oils. Oils (vegetable or synthetic) don't make a good detangler.
  • I completely agree with @ngarayeva001

    On another note, I just noticed that you have no preservative listed. If you want to incorporate water into your formula, you must also preserve it.

    My personal recommendation would be to use a synthetic preservative such as parabens or phenoxyethanol. A natural preservative likely won't be enough to preserve your formula due to the large amount of organic matter present.
  • I also noticed that your have no emulsifier. How are you keeping these ingredients toghether? Are you just shaking vigorously? 
  • @Seun at least consider some cationic guar gum. It's been modified for better performance  but the ~natural~ origin might be appealing to you.

      I don't mean to come down on you but we see many requests on this forum for all natural products and it's just never going to perform well. If you just care about words on your marketing and label sure go natural, but it will not have the efficacy or even safety of a product that chooses ingredients based on merit.

    Now for a very quick diatribe about this topic:
    Natural formulas are often unsafe when made by smaller companies/individuals because they are unlikely to pay for proper challenge testing. Natural preservatives typically aren't as strong and require a lot of 'teamwork' with the other components - look up the hurdle approach.  And because of the misconception natural=safe, I suspect the due diligence of evaluating materials based on a variety of metrics falls to the wayside. Do you ever look at paperwork for your oils or clays to see the heavy metal testing results? 

    And the whole idea of natural being safer than 'chemical' formulas is just wrong. Arsenic? Natural. Lead? Natural. Obviously those things aren't intentionally going in formulas - but what about essential oils? A host of them are irritating, phototoxic, and if you care about the natural environment at all think of what the demand for exotic oils does to the ecosystem they are in. What about people with nut allergies who can't use unrefined plant oils? 

    I know for many people on here formulating is just a hobby, not trying to discourage hobbyists from  getting into this field. However like all hobbies, you should make safety a number one priority, especially if you plan to distribute your work in any way
  • Seun said:
    hello, I make organic hair detangler and would like recommendations on how to mix water and oil.
    1) water.  82%
    2) coconut oil    5%
    3) olive oil.        5%
    4) jojoba oil.    2%
    5) rosemare oil 2%
    6) castor oil. 2%
    7) tea tree oil 2%
    8) fragrance
    9) vitamins E oil 1%
    I would like to keep it organic, 

    Seun good list but as said nothing like organic. just get on with emulsifier and reduce the carrier oil and essentials, organic shampoo organic detangler are just marketing strategies. Chuks from Nigeria
  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    Vitamin E oil is commonly tocopherol acetate, and that's not natural ;) .

    You completely lack any preservation (tocopherol acetate ain't an antioxidant). That thing will 'rot' like nothing.

    @ngarayeva001 Seun is from Nigeria, his/her (?) hair probably ain't your blond European hanks. It might actually doing great and getting detangled with oils and won't get greasy like yours ;) . Don't forget, your perception of the world, your education, your expectations, your everything is completely different from that of people from third world countries. Show some empathy and understanding!

    If at all, there aren't too many organic (referring to certified organic according to European standards) emulsifiers you could use. Lysolecithin might be one but it will greatly accelerate microbial growth possibly to the point where 'organic' preservatives will utterly fail. Bentonite could be tried but again, great microbial food and a pain to preserve. Saponins like soap nut would be organic but are probably not working...
    Gotta go, sorry.
  • A "natural" emulsifier that I think will satisfy your question is soy lecithin. You could also consider glyceryl stearate or sorbitan olivate.
    However I side with the other members posting here in that I don't think this product will work very well without taking a different approach.
  • Yep these guys are all wrong lol.  My millions prove it. Don't always think that you know just because you are in the "know".  Have more understanding guys.

    Seun Your recipe will work. Drop the coconut oil, ad a good antimicrobial (skip the parabens) remove the essential oils and the jojoba.  They just make it pricey and dont ad slip and add marshmallow root. 

    Third World Countries: 

    The very concept of categorizing countries as either first, second or third came as a result of the cold war.

    First world countries, were those allied with the United States. Second world countries were those allied with the Soviet Union. Third world countries were those who allied with neither East or West as members of the ‘Non-Allied Movement’. Nigeria was a member of this body.



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