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  • Can I add royal jelly to a cosmetic formula

    Posted by andriannav on July 27, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    I want to add royal jelly to cream … allowed under cosmetic legislation;
    at what rate can I add it ?? where can i find information?

    Herbnerd replied 4 years, 8 months ago 6 Members · 12 Replies
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  • microformulation

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    July 27, 2019 at 4:04 pm
  • smok

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    July 27, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    royal jelly realy is good for 1 thing

    it is good for bees only

  • pharma

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    July 27, 2019 at 7:14 pm
    Actually two things…
    it’s good for business too.
  • ngarayeva001

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    July 28, 2019 at 6:00 am

    I don’t know about you guy but after I saw this, I came to the conclusion that I want my skincare vegan.


    I mean, don’t get me wrong! With all those wonderful ‘toxic chemicals’ like PEGs, Sulfates,Silicones, Parabens and whatever is demonized now. But very very vegan.

  • pharma

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    July 28, 2019 at 6:49 am

    @ngarayeva001 Very vegan? Should I now ask you whether or not you know how (or from what) exactly hydrolysed silk proteins are made? Sure, some producers do use silk as raw material…

  • ngarayeva001

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    July 28, 2019 at 7:32 am

    @Pharma, I couldn’t find much. I thought they just collect silk worms cocoons and hydrolyze it… What is actually used? In fact I have a couple of animal derived ingredients but for example I would never be ok to apply sheep sebum on my lips or animal fat on my skin. Not a fan of snail slime either. Just a personal preference.

  • pharma

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    July 28, 2019 at 9:08 am

    Standard hydrolysed silk protein is made from what’s left after the cocoons have been used for harvesting silk. Notably, the cocoons are collected before the butterflies hatch so that one can obtain one single long fibre instead of chewed-through fragments. Hence, silk protein is often just the innermost layer of “filthy” silk plus the dried larvae which make up most of the weight. It should be called hydrolysed silk worm protein instead.

  • ngarayeva001

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    July 28, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    I have just threw away my silk proteins ? I never liked this ingredient anyway. It smells dreadfully. I just bought it because I like trying new things and silk sounds good (although I was aware it’s a claim ingredient). I have my buzzword label: I am a vegan skincare formulator now, and the fact I never say no to bacon doesn’t change anything ?
    Jokes aside, the majority of great ingredients are synthetic or petroleum derived anyway.

  • pharma

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    July 28, 2019 at 6:56 pm

    I can’t remember which brand it was that uses real silk for hydrolysis (probably Shiseido or Kanebo/Sensai)… I wonder why silk peptides should be any good. I prefer pure amino acids and these are usually derived either from plants or petrochemistry. If you choose wisely, these AAs don’t smell once in solution and have real nice humectant activity (and are cheaper than silk).

  • ngarayeva001

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    July 28, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    Do you mean that they are called ‘silk amino acids’ but derived from plants or petrochemicals? I will have a look at sensai and shiseido products to see which one uses silk. I used to use both brands before started making my own skincare. But I am pretty certain that the stinky mess I had was made exactly from worms because it smelled like someone died.

  • pharma

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    July 28, 2019 at 8:34 pm
    Naw, I’m not using silk amino acids but just plain pure amino acids, nothing to do with silk ;) .
  • Herbnerd

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    July 31, 2019 at 12:33 am

    Royal Jelly will darken over time owing to the maillard reaction. You will need to work around this.

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