oil base Shampoo

is anyone have any idea about oil based shampoo 
i want to make a shampoo which give as oily feel after washing hair.

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  • Are you referring to co-washing?
  • GuntherGunther Member
    All shampoo surfactants remove oil from hair.
    So you can only:
    A. Co-wash as @ngarayeva001 suggested
    B. Formulate a very mild shampoo that removes little oil from hair
    C. Use a post-shampoo conditioner or hair treatment that restores oils.
  • UsmanAliUsmanAli Member
    thanks for your suggestion 
    can you guide me more about co-wash

  • Co-wash is a fancy word for washing hair with a conditioner instead of shampoo. It might work for very dry scalp and hair (I read it's ok for 4B/4C hair types), but it's not really washing.
  • UsmanAliUsmanAli Member
    ok thanks @ngarayeva001

  • NubianNubian Member
    I made an oil shampoo 2years ago you can try out. It’s a high foam shampoo that leaves hair clean and soft. Here’s the formulation;

    Plantapon AF 56.4

    Soybean Oil 21

    CCT 15

    Castor Oil 5

    Herbal Extract 0.5

    Hydrolyzed Protein 1

    Sodium Benzoate 0.5

    Antioxidant 0.1

    Fragrance 0.5

     

    Method of manufacture 

    1. Add the following well;
      1. Plantapon AF, Soybean Oil, CCT, Castor Oil & Fragrance 
    2. Pre mix the following until uniform
      1. Herbal extract, Hydrolysed Protein, Antioxidant & Sodium Benzoate
    3. Add to surfactant batch and mix well

     

  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    That sounds more like an emulsion/cream than a shampoo.
  • NubianNubian Member
    @Pharma nope it’s not. It’s an oil shampoo. Looks and feels like an oil on contact with skin. Foams when water is added to it. See image below.


  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    Interesting!
  • BelassiBelassi Member
    See BASF's formula here. (UL Prospector)
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    High foam? I’m skeptical. How does the foam compare to a sulfate shampoo?
  • NubianNubian Member
    @Perry this is a sulfate shampoo. Plantapon® AF is a mixture of alkyl ether sulfate, citric acid ester of ethoxylated fatty alcohol and nonionic emulsifier. Read about it here https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1312918.pdf?bs=804&b=91858&st=20&r=eu&ind=personalcare
  • NubianNubian Member
    @Belassi spot on. 
  • I heard that there are materials that allow making high performance shampoo with huge amount of oils. It sounds very interesting but they are not sold at DIY size quantities (1lt).
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @Nubian - I was asking about how the formula you posted compares to standard (non-oil containing) shampoos. When you said "high foaming", I was wondering about that comparison.  I've not found oil containing formulas to be high foaming relative to non-oil containing shampoos.
  • NubianNubian Member
    @Perry performance is strikingly the same.
  • NubianNubian Member
    @UsmanAli you can also look at Marlinat 242/90 MC by Sasol Performance Chemicals. I just found they take long to respond to sample requests.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
  • Cdrum305Cdrum305 Member
    That sounds like a new category in the hair industry...you should pursue it more...oil shampoo is a great idea.  I have very dry hair, but wash to clarify my scalp due to thinning hair.  I hate how my hair feels after shampooing.  
  • I am actually surprised it’s not available at DIY market because most homecrafters love the idea of mixing shampoo with oil. I see people posting formulas attempting to incorporate huge amounts of oil into a shampoo and asking why it separates probably once a week here. @Nubian, is it difficult to process/requires special equipment?
  • We saponify coconut oil to make a shampoo product. The amount of oil remaining can be controlled via the saponification reaction, or adding oil after saponification.
    Dr. Mike Thair
    Cofounder & Chief Formulator
    Indochine Natural
  • EVchemEVchem Member
    @ngarayeva001 at upwards of 50% in the formula though it would get used up quick right?

    We actually had a sample on hand so I tried something similar:
    Plantapon AF               55
    CCT                            14.5
    Argan Oil                     18
    Rosemary EO               0.5
    Castor Oil                    11
    Euxyl PE 9010 (Phenoxyethanol/ Ethylhexylglycerin) 1

    There was foam but it was  on the smaller side, a little creamy (sorry I am not very experienced with cleansers so my vocab is lacking). I attached a picture, not sure if that helps or what the proper method for foam testing is
  • I agree, it's clearly doesn't foam well. Could it differ depending on oils I wonder..
  • BelassiBelassi Member
    Yes, thanks very much for posting the photo. Unimpressive. I'd want a LOT more foam than that.
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • NubianNubian Member
    @ngarayeva001 it’s quite easy to prepare. I used an overhead stirrer with a paddle attachment. 

    @EVchem that’s the foam I got when tested washing my hands. The results are much different on curly hair or on a shower/bath luffa. Here’s an image of the foam. 


  • @Nubian thanks sir 
    but i cant find these ingredients 
  • @Belassi sir i m not registered at BASF
    i try to be registered but due to many requirements i cant access :(
  • thanks to alllll chemists 
     actually i m very happy after seeing too much suggestion its my first post on which i get very good response
    thanks again 
    smile:
  • @mikethair thank you for this information. Im trying to formulate a shampoo using cocoate sodium that we make inhouse using coconut oil. but the problem is that the shampoo gets milky and unclear at around 20 degree. could you please advice if you have such a problem and also are you using a preservative. the PH is high and most natural preservatives are incompatible with PH >8. thank you.
  • Not sure why you are using Sodium Cocoate. We use this in solid soap formulations.

    For liquid shampoo we use Potassium Cocoate (saponified coconut oil).

    We have zero problems with cloudiness with Potassium Cocoate . No, we do not use a preservative because the pH is around 9.0.  Challenge Testing (PET) have demonstrated that preservatives are not required.

    Plus, this is backed up under ISO 29621:2017 covering finished cosmetic products. Identified products in the guideline do not require preseravtives and the application of microbiological International standards for Cosmetics commonly called “challenge test” or ISO 11930.





    Dr. Mike Thair
    Cofounder & Chief Formulator
    Indochine Natural
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