Dishwash liquid

ravimosai

  I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


Water :  to 100
Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
Urea: 25 gram
EDTA: 10 gram
LABSA: 400 gram
NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
Fragnace : 1 gram
SLES: 400 gram
CDEA: 100 gram
Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

Gunther

Did you try a more concentrated dishwash?
I'm having trouble with neutralized LABSA being cloudy at 15%+ LABSA.

ravimosai

Gunther said:

Did you try a more concentrated dishwash?
I'm having trouble with neutralized LABSA being cloudy at 15%+ LABSA.

 This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

Gunther

ravimosai said:

 This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

How much LABSA did you use (in % of the final formulation?
I'm having trouble getting beyond 10% LABSA, even 15% is borderline cloudy.

ravimosai

Gunther said:

ravimosai said:

 This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

How much LABSA did you use (in % of the final formulation?
I'm having trouble getting beyond 10% LABSA, even 15% is borderline cloudy.

  I m sorry Gunther. Now I see what you are saying. My formula is for 5 ltr and not for 1 litre. My bad.   

Gobel

ravimosai said:

  I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


Water :  to 100
Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
Urea: 25 gram
EDTA: 10 gram
LABSA: 400 gram
NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
Fragnace : 1 gram
SLES: 400 gram
CDEA: 100 gram
Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

Sir please answer following of my queries regarding your formula,
1. What is the expected shelf life of the product? Is there any need to add preservatives?
2. I am going for a small start-up and have arranged all the chemicals listed above, can you pls guide the step by step process in short? No problem if you don't cuz I have the general idea but to be safe it would be a great help.
3. What is the meaning of Water to 100 cuz I see it everywhere.

ravimosai

ravimosai said:

Gunther said:

ravimosai said:

 This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

How much LABSA did you use (in % of the final formulation?
I'm having trouble getting beyond 10% LABSA, even 15% is borderline cloudy.

  I m sorry Gunther. Now I see what you are saying. My formula is for 5 ltr and not for 1 litre. My bad.   

Gunther,

 I haven't made it more concentrated, because at this formulation I am getting thicker gel then Vim. 

I will try it to make it with 15% and would tell you, how it goes.

ravimosai

Gobel said:

ravimosai said:

  I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


Water :  to 100
Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
Urea: 25 gram
EDTA: 10 gram
LABSA: 400 gram
NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
Fragnace : 1 gram
SLES: 400 gram
CDEA: 100 gram
Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

Sir please answer following of my queries regarding your formula,
1. What is the expected shelf life of the product? Is there any need to add preservatives?
2. I am going for a small start-up and have arranged all the chemicals listed above, can you pls guide the step by step process in short? No problem if you don't cuz I have the general idea but to be safe it would be a great help.
3. What is the meaning of Water to 100 cuz I see it everywhere.

Hi Gobel,

1) Shelf life depends on the quality of Ingredients and Utensils you use. If all is good then the Shelf life would be around 18 months. This is for my products that I make.

      2) What exactly you mean by step by step process? 

    3) Water to 100 means:  For example you are making a product of 1 litre.
       When you add all ingredients and it amount to 250 ml.  So What is remaining ml to 1litre? Ans: 750 ml. This 750 ml is the amount of water you need to add. i.e Water to 100 (100%)

sven

@ravimosai is this formulation not for 5 liters as you discussed with @Gunther above? 

ravimosai

It is for 5 litre ... not for 1 litre

chemicalmatt

What is with the urea? Not needed there. 
LABSA used was 96% commercial form?
Also, pH should be adjusted to 8.0 - 9.0 to truly make this "tried and true" my friend. Just sayin'

Gobel

ravimosai said:

Gobel said:

ravimosai said:

  I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


Water :  to 100
Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
Urea: 25 gram
EDTA: 10 gram
LABSA: 400 gram
NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
Fragnace : 1 gram
SLES: 400 gram
CDEA: 100 gram
Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

Sir please answer following of my queries regarding your formula,
1. What is the expected shelf life of the product? Is there any need to add preservatives?
2. I am going for a small start-up and have arranged all the chemicals listed above, can you pls guide the step by step process in short? No problem if you don't cuz I have the general idea but to be safe it would be a great help.
3. What is the meaning of Water to 100 cuz I see it everywhere.

Hi Gobel,

1) Shelf life depends on the quality of Ingredients and Utensils you use. If all is good then the Shelf life would be around 18 months. This is for my products that I make.

      2) What exactly you mean by step by step process? 

    3) Water to 100 means:  For example you are making a product of 1 litre.
       When you add all ingredients and it amount to 250 ml.  So What is remaining ml to 1litre? Ans: 750 ml. This 750 ml is the amount of water you need to add. i.e Water to 100 (100%)

Sir by step by step i mean, like first we add labsa to ______ ml water and mix it. then make a NaOH sol and then mix it with labsa, then make separate sol for each ingredient and add it with labsa and mix for 30 min.... like this sir.

Ahmad

Hello everyone,
can somebody tell me that i can use methyl alcohol less than 1% in a dish wash liquid?

Gunther

Ahmad said:

Hello everyone,
can somebody tell me that i can use methyl alcohol less than 1% in a dish wash liquid?

Even if regulations allow it, don't
there are more effective and safer preservatives out there.
Customers may sue you, and you or some of your employees may end up very ill just from chronic exposure to it.

Ahmad

@ Gunther
Thanx Gunther actually it was used for the fragrance solubility agent...
Scent was making solution precipitated. I mean scent was making my clear solution unclear.

Chemist77

Methanol????? really???

smok

if it is for personally use you dont need urea and edta

you should pricing the amount of water water to nomean anythig

Amittal

@ravimosai in ur formula the fragrance is water soluble or oil based fragrance if fragrance is oil based then how you are emulsifying the fragrance? 

luiscuevasii

Hey @Gunther i have Made a 18% Labsa dishwash as sole surfactantes And i havent cloudiness issues, i'm fact above 16% the viscosity is very good, check And control the rise of temperature, And try without other Labsa suppliers

The experiment where Made when There our supplier runout of sles.

bil7

Mixed d limonene with 2 parts of tween 20 plus 1 part of TEA added to solution or you can also mix above with glycerin then pour to formulation.

bil7

If cloudy is coming you are not neutralize sles labsa completely after adding and properly stiring just also add tartaric acid 1 part as 10 part of citric it will give yoy crystal shine in product will glow brighter 

myatmyat

how can I make clear transparent dis wash liquid soap?

ravimosai

You can drop Labsa percentage

ravimosai

Amittal said:

@ravimosai in ur formula the fragrance is water soluble or oil based fragrance if fragrance is oil based then how you are emulsifying the fragrance? 
Water based fragnance

myatmyat

Thanks you very much for everything !
 It is ok?

Ahmad

Hello everyone,
I want to know about the impact of perfumes on dish wash fromulation as i am facing to types:
1 thickness decreasing
2 Smell also drops by adding more surfactants(SLES or Labsa).
Can somebody tell me about water based and oil based perfumes? 

Aanchal

Hello

Can CDEA be replaced by some other chemical? I found that it is deemed as unsafe, carcinogenic, and hence even banned in some places. FDA hasn't declared it unsafe but cancer research institute has labelled it as a carcinogen.

sven

?????

Perry

There isn't any one-to-one replacement. We used Cocamidopropyl Betaine as a replacement but had to make significant adjustments to rest of the formula.

Incidentally, the best science does not show Cocadmide DEA causes cancer and is safe to use in products at levels as used in cosmetics. 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l964yzctytwsro1/cocamiddea-safety.pdf?dl=0

Aanchal

 Perry said:

There isn't any one-to-one replacement. We used Cocamidopropyl Betaine as a replacement but had to make significant adjustments to rest of the formula.

Incidentally, the best science does not show Cocadmide DEA causes cancer and is safe to use in products at levels as used in cosmetics. 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l964yzctytwsro1/cocamiddea-safety.pdf?dl=0

Noted ! Thanks Perry  ! 

Aziz

Ahmad said:

Hello everyone,
I want to know about the impact of perfumes on dish wash fromulation as i am facing to types:
1 thickness decreasing
2 Smell also drops by adding more surfactants(SLES or Labsa).
Can somebody tell me about water based and oil based perfumes? 

The perfume what I use in my dish wash , shop keeper call it ' Lemon 3 ' . I bought 1 litre but did't see its lebel . It is water soluble , coz it finishing product remains transparent . 
I add perfume befor adding CAPB and salt to thicken to avoid this theckening problem 

ozgirl

Aanchal said:

Hello

Can CDEA be replaced by some other chemical? I found that it is deemed as unsafe, carcinogenic, and hence even banned in some places. FDA hasn't declared it unsafe but cancer research institute has

@Aanchal - We have replaced Cocamide DEA with Cocamide MEA with very little adjustment to the formula. It is the free DEA in the CDEA that is the issue with respect to carcinogenicity.

Gunther

Please stop spreading misinformation

Cocamide DEA was never really proven to cause cancer by itself.
Their findings couldn't be readily replicated so its believed cancer was caused by a by-product, not CDEA itself.

The Cancer Research Institute doesn't test chemicals at all. They just fund some experimental therapy studies.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer does test chemicals.
For CDEA it 

68603-42-9

Coconut oil diethanolamine condensate

2B

101

2013

https://monographs.iarc.fr/list-of-classifications-volumes/
Its monograph fits in the Group 2B: The agent is possibly carcinogenic to humans.

There is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals. It may also be used if there is inadequate evidence in humans but sufficient evidence in experimental animals. Occasionally, an agent (or mixture) may be placed in group 2B if there is inadequate evidence in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals but there is supporting evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data. An agent or a mixture may also be classified in this category solely on the basis of strong evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data

Ginko Biloba extract, Kava extract, magnetic fields, Medroxyprogesterone acetate, metronidazole, Nickel metallic and alloys, Oxazepam, Phenobarbital, Progestins, Radiofrequency electromagnetic fields, polygeenan (carrageenan derivative), goldenseal root powder belong to the same group, are widely used, some of them even taken by mouth, some are even FDA approved meds, and not proven to cause cancer.

Anishjoseph

Guys anyone know the formula of foam handwash

sven

@Gunther thank you so much for that data. It will really help on a project that i am working on.

Aanchal

Gunther said:

Please stop spreading misinformation

Cocamide DEA was never really proven to cause cancer by itself.
Their findings couldn't be readily replicated so its believed cancer was caused by a by-product, not CDEA itself.

The Cancer Research Institute doesn't test chemicals at all. They just fund some experimental therapy studies.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer does test chemicals.
For CDEA it 

68603-42-9

Coconut oil diethanolamine condensate

2B

101

2013

https://monographs.iarc.fr/list-of-classifications-volumes/
Its monograph fits in the Group 2B: The agent is possibly carcinogenic to humans.

There is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals. It may also be used if there is inadequate evidence in humans but sufficient evidence in experimental animals. Occasionally, an agent (or mixture) may be placed in group 2B if there is inadequate evidence in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals but there is supporting evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data. An agent or a mixture may also be classified in this category solely on the basis of strong evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data

Ginko Biloba extract, Kava extract, magnetic fields, Medroxyprogesterone acetate, metronidazole, Nickel metallic and alloys, Oxazepam, Phenobarbital, Progestins, Radiofrequency electromagnetic fields, polygeenan (carrageenan derivative), goldenseal root powder belong to the same group, are widely used, some of them even taken by mouth, some are even FDA approved meds, and not proven to cause cancer.

Thanks for your inputs. Glad that my doubt is cleared and nobody will be misinformed by my comment. 

Aanchal

ozgirl said:

Aanchal said:

Hello

Can CDEA be replaced by some other chemical? I found that it is deemed as unsafe, carcinogenic, and hence even banned in some places. FDA hasn't declared it unsafe but cancer research institute has

@Aanchal - We have replaced Cocamide DEA with Cocamide MEA with very little adjustment to the formula. It is the free DEA in the CDEA that is the issue with respect to carcinogenicity.

Thank you  ! Noted. 

Aanchal

CDEA is available in liquid form at most vendor's. Can it be used in liquid state instead of solid? How? 

Elsayed

I have an idea wherby you can solublize menthol without solublizer. By adding menthol into warm water at 40 C.

Batviya

Can any 1 give me the correct formula for hand wash and Dish wash with clearegards transparent gormless please

Belassi

'gormless'? 

Temmyd01

Pls house, I need transparent dish washing liquid formulation or u can send it to my email
dayooke2004@gmail.com

ketchito

There are several sources to find example formulas, like UL Prospector, or formulation books.