Water based pomade NATURAL

Hello !!

I would like to make a water based pomade with natural ingredients without oils. Have you got an idea to plasticize ? 


  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    What do you consider "natural"?  

    If you follow a strict definition of natural meaning "things found in nature" it is not possible to make a water based pomade.
  • @Perry Natural means agreed with COSMOS Organic certification. So, I have to find some ingredients accepted by COSMOS. I think to Honey with a gum (Xanthan) or cellulose or a resin ..
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    I agree with Perry. It is simply not possible to do this and get a modern-day acceptable feel and/or hold.
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  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    I have to agree with Perry and Bob. There is such a gap between the market expectations (based on the performance of the synthetic fixatives) versus what can pragmatically be delivered with "natural" raw materials (plant based materials minimally processed for definition sake), that you have to address the disparity. You can make a solid product, albeit lacking some performance, that you must address this in your marketing. This has become especially significant in recent years as the market is demanding a much narrower margin between "natural" and "synthetic" finished products in such areas as performance and price. If you can bridge this gap with effective marketing, you can be somewhat successful.
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  • @Microformulation @Bobzchemist @Perry I will try this new challenge !!! Always more !
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    To accomplish this, here's an approach you might try.

    1.  Find a product on the market that performs the way you want.
    2.  List out the ingredients and figure out what makes it perform
    3.  Search for natural alternatives to the ingredients.
    4.  Make formulas until you get something that performs close to the product you're trying to emulate.
  • @Perry Thanks Perry ! I have chosen some ingredients : lanolin, honey, sugar, gelatin, Agar gum, alginate, pectin ... All in cosmetofood ! I will try with something like that.  There is nothing on the market ...
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    While there might not be anything on the market exactly like what you are trying to make, there are definitely hair pomades on the market.

    If this is a product you are going to try to sell to consumers (or even use yourself) you have to be aware of the expectations that they will have. If you advertise something as a hair pomade people will want something that works like hair pomades they've used in the past.  It will help for you to find products on the market that you are trying to emulate.
  • @Perry Yes I understand. I have already made a waterbased pomade and I am working on a company in the field of hair cosmetics
  • Any suggestions on how to achieve colors in the Blue/Turquoise family, with non-color additives?  
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @SheilaInBoston - It is actually illegal to add non-color additives to a cosmetic to provide color. The only legal colors are the color additives approved by the FDA. There is a similar list of colorants allowed in the EU.

    The reason cosmetics even began to be regulated was because of colorants. People were using materials to provide colors that were causing injuries like blindness.

    I do not recommend using non-approved materials as colorants.

  • heraklitheraklit Member, PCF student
    Perry is right, but you can try the deep blue chamomile essential oil (not extract).
  • DavidDavid Member
    edited September 2017
    It never stops surprising me how often cosmetic formulating is driven by marketing, misinformation and fear (although it actually is a science) . Non-color - color additive? When there are so many safe color additives around? I recently had a request for a color without a CI number... eh.....
    -next challenge: I want something wet without the chemical dihydrogen oxide..any ideas?
  • edited September 2017
    I was thinking more along the lines of something that moisturizes or is anti-bacterial, etc., some benefit, that ALSO adds the color blue to the product. (Not Sherwin Williams or my fish's methylene blue LOL)  [Note: everybody with fish needs to keep a stash of methylene blue for emergencies... it has saved many fish for me.]

    heraklit's suggestion of deep blue chamomile EO is perfect.  Thanks!
  • heraklitheraklit Member, PCF student
    Just like your sunglasses  :)

  • maybe try pectin, or combination of sclerotium gum/xanthan gum/cellulose
  • Don't "natural shame"  yourself!! It will limit your ability to make awesome products!!!  I thought natural was the way to go with pomade, but if you're in the industry to make a kick ass unorthodox water based styling clay...then go for all ingredients!!
  • @SheilaInBoston you could try copper PCA
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