Why isn't anything working!!!!

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It seems like nothing wants to work I just want to color adjust my formulas !! I have ground , mortar and pestle got the isododocane to disperse with glass muller and it doesn't want to mix into any of my foundations it won't totally change the color and when I put it in the liquid lip stain it soon flakes off??? Is there anything left I can do why isn't it mixing what am I doing wrong is it still the pigment partly size they should be fine enough now . So frustrating I have been working on this for months and the company I buy my ingredients from offers different advice but I have tried it and all fails
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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    It might help if you give more information such as the specific ingredients in your formula.
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  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    This isn't an uncommon problem, actually. 

    How do you color adjust a formula that won't accept small amounts of extra color? The answer is to use "monochromatic" adjusting bases. Make several batches, each with only one pigment. To color adjust, you just mix the batch being adjusted with adjusting base(s). Since they are all complete formulas, you are not changing anything but the ratios of the pigments, so the formula itself is unchanged, and therefore remains stable with identical performance.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • Unknown
    Bob that sounds good but Where do I get monochromatic adjusting bases sorry ?
    I don't have knowledge of this. 

    Here are the ingredients of formula 1)C11 Isoparaffin, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, Dimethicone, Silica Dimethyl Silylate, Quaternium -18 Bentonite, Propylparaben. May Contain: MICA (CI77019), CI77891, CI 15850, CI45410, CI77492, CI 77499, CI 77491HOW TO APPLY
    formula 2). Active Ingredients: Titanium Dioxide (7.3%) Inactive Ingredients: Aqua/Water (Water), Cyclomethicone, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, Butylene Glycol, Boron Nitride, Dimethicone, SD Alcohol 40B, PEG/PPG 18/18 Dimethicone, Nylon 12, Tribehenin, Isododecane, Polyisobutene, Sodium Chloride, Cetyl PEG/PPG 10/1 Dimethicone, Bisabolol, Serica (Silk Powder), Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Malva Sylvestris Flower Extract (Mallow), Lilium Candidum Bulb Extract (Lily), Lactobacillus/Eridictyon Californicum Ferment Extract, Cymbidium Grandiflorum Flower Extract, Alumina, Polydimethylsiloxane/Polymethysilesquioxane Copolymer, Ethylene Brassylate, Methicone, Trisiloxane, Sorbitan Sesquioleate, Tetrasodium EDTA, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, May Contain (+/-): Mica (CI 77019), Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891), Iron Oxides (CI 77491, 77492, 77499)
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    I guess today is my day for being confused. It is not possible to purchase adjusting bases, they have to be made exactly the same way you make your formula -but it's increasingly sounding like you don't make your own formulas. Many of these lip stain formulas are very carefully balanced, and even the slightest change in them at all will result in failure, which sounds a lot like what you've posted here.

    If you are purchasing a finished product from a manufacturer, you will need to contact that manufacturer to special order the adjusting bases.

    If you are just buying retail products, then the best you will ever be able to do is buy other retail products of the same formula and mix them together to get your own versions.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • Unknown
    No I do not  I am only trying to color adjust formulas that's all I hope I didn't make it sound like that when I meant "My" the intention was to express that I just own these products my bad. I haven't even gotten to color adjusting just using pigments I can not create my own formulas without going to school and acquiring some sort of certification or degree 
  • Unknown
    And I didn't want to do that I thought I could just do my own since my skin color shade is so hard to find and ordering online is ridiculous because you never know the color you are Finn get . So I had the idea that would cost me a lot of time and effort to just try to color adjust them myself what the company uses in the first place to make color. Making cosmetics made me believe you don't have to be a chemist to do that so I was excited maybe I am not cut out for it but I just didn't want to waste all this money on tools and now my time to have no results
  • Unknown
    They never once told me that I couldn't be able to do it maybe I am naive and they wanted me to keep spending my money that would never work . They told me to use the ingredients that are already present In the formulas the best one that dried fast was the isododocane that's in both of the retail products 
  • Unknown
    whats worse is that I spent even more money buying retail "pigments" for so called silicone or oil based formulas that would ruin everything so I just thought I could try it myself with the formulas that I love.
  • Unknown
    I got it to work by just using very fine pigment (no mulling, spice grinding, mortar & pestle) already powder form and mixing it thoroughly in isododocane with a high power paint mixer. 

  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    Paint mixer. Interesting. I was buying some paint a week ago and when the person mixed the shade, I found myself observing that the rotating device had twelve cylinders and dispensed accurate amounts of thick liquid from each. So I thought, maybe one of those could make a good measurement system for batches of creams. And then the mix was put in the shaking machine and you can guess what my next thought was...
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • Unknown
    What? Works amazing ! Why didn't I think of this before  :p
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