Equipment for cosmetic company

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edited November 2013 in Starting a cosmetic line

Hello friends

I would like to ask you if you have any suggestions
for the equipment I should buy in order to start my production process. Im thinking of working batches of 100 Liters - 150 liters.  I’m
thinking of buying two small reactors, when requiring emulsion process W/O -
O/W. Also im looking for a homogenizer for one reactor, but it’s too expensive.
For example the Pilot Line of IKA (for production purposes) goes for around
$120.000 EXW.

So I would really appreciate if some members could
give me some advice on what equipment i should buy in order to start.

Thanks


Gabriel

Comments

  • Dear Gabriel,

    I know that machines from western countries are very expensive.  May be you could search for second hand or source from China.  I myself i have purchased some bottling machines from China, and they do their jobs well.

    Goodluck.

    Hoy.
    Mauritius
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    Hoy,

    Try Sina Ekato from China, we have some from them and they are reasonable too. But make a physical demo of everything before you go ahead and buy. 

    cheers
  • Hello,

    I'm new to this forum and probably the only one with no experience in manufacturing part. I have a distribution company for proffesional cosmetics and I intend to invest in a small manufacturing line. But I need a serious information and I hope you can help me. 

    1. I see some books regarding the cosmetics business but almost no information about what I need to start the cosmetic line (I need some book or materials to understand exactly what I need). I want something small to make about 2000l per month or maybe a little more.

    2. I see a lot of free formula on the internet, are these enough for the start or I need to buy some formulas. It's absolutly necesesary to have a specialist from the start or I can start with some basic formula? Also how much will cost (only the formula) to buy it?

    3. there are books only for the formula part to start learning some basics?

    Any information or sourse of serious information will be very appreciate.

    Sorry for my english, is not my native language and also not my strong point.

    Best regards,
    Ionut



  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    @montela you have to specify which line you intend to produce, whether its personal care or color cosmetics or something else. This site is much more friendly than your expectations, state your line of products clearly and let us see what we can do for you
  • Ok, for the start it will be only cream for body and face. It will be a line for beauty spa in big quantity, like 500ml and almost the same line in small jars 50 to 200ml. Slimming, cellulite, firming, etc.The ideea is to make some very good quality products, using quality ingredient, not big quantities

    If the labeling, filing, is not so complicate to understande, the mixing part it's a little complicated for me. There are couple mixer, Homogenizer, etc and I must understand which one are really necessare.

    I hope you can give some advices. thanks



  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    The types you have mentioned can use plant derived actives generally, you can use non ionic base for most formulations. Though stability and other parameters should definitely be checked. Some actives need a specific pH and that you have to mind while formulating, the suppliers shall be able to give you most of the info about the actives and how to formulate it. For emulsions you generally need vacuum mixers with homogenizers but you can use simple mixers as well though speed control is a must to avoid aeration. I am sure a simple mixer might help you, since you are starting new I suggest you go for crash cooling depending on formulation again. 2000L a month is a small quantity and I am sure it will not be a big problem for you.
  • MakingSkincareMakingSkincare Member, Professional formulator
    Montel, if you're looking to learn to create your own cosmetics then swiftcraftymonkey's blog is a great way to learn and she has formulas on her site too which you can tailor.
    Jane Barber
    www.makingskincare.com
    www.learncosmeticformulation.com (free online course)
    Formulation discussion forum (18,000 members): www.facebook.com/groups/makingskincare/
  • Thanks, I take a look and I think is a very good source of information. 
  • Hi,

    I just joined this forum.  I stumbled upon it a few weeks ago and it has been a great resource so far.  Perry, thanks for the facilitation.

    I don't have formal Cosmetology training but I know the basics.  I am trying to start a Colour Cosmetics company that specializes in natural / organic Lip Stick, Lip Gloss and Mascara and I have a few questions that I hope someone on this forum can kindly address.  My questions are as follows:

    1.  Is there a way (via some sort of database or website, etc) to translate a petroleum based / artificial ingredient into its natural / organic alternative?  For example, if I want to know the artificial equivalent of Cetyl Betaine or Petrolatum or Polydecene, etc., etc., where would I go?

    2.  Apart from Sina Ekato, are there any other recommendations for manufacturers of reasonably priced manufacturing equipment? in the U.S. and abroad?

    3.  Where do I go to find a list of natural / organic ingredients only?

    4.  Any recommendations on how to find certified organic or natural ingredient Contract / Private Label Manufacturers?

    Any feedback is appreciated.  Thank you.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Hello @MakeupCook and welcome to the forum.  Hope you find these answers enlightening.

    1.  No.  If it were easy to replace petroleum based ingredients with "natural" alternatives that worked just as well, no one would use the petroleum based ingredients.  Synthetic ingredients just work better.  But there are plenty of inferior ingredients you can use.  You just have to describe what you are trying to accomplish.  For example, you can use Beeswax for a lip balm.  It's not as nice as Petrolatum based balms but you can use it.

    2.  This depends on what type of equipment you are looking to buy and what you mean by "reasonably priced".  Need to be more specific.

    3.  There are lots of lists which you can find here.  List of natural and organic standards.  But you should realize that the list are arbitrary and simply reflect the opinion of the person making the list.  There is no "official" list of natural / organic ingredients as anyone can use this term about any ingredient if they want.

    4.  No.  There is no official certifying body that would certify manufacturers.  

    Hope that helps.

    Perry, 44  
  • Thank you Perry.  Your answers are helpful.  In regards to manufacturing equipment, please disregard the "reasonably priced" phrase.  I just need to know if you have any recommendations on where you buy -

    1.  Liquid Filling Machines

    2.  Stainless Steel Storage Tanks

    3.  Powder Packing Machines

    4.  Conveyor Belts

    5. Vacuum Emulsifying Mixers

    6. Multi-function Blending Reactive Mixers / Vacuum Homogenizing Mixers

    Thanks.

  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    I have to point out to you that, at least at first glance, you're talking about millions of dollars worth of equipment. And it sounds like you want to open a cosmetic manufacturing company. Personally, if I had that kind of money, I'd just buy a struggling, already running cosmetic manufacturing company - there are a few of them. Which brings me to my next point - you will be competing with all of them, and margins are razor-thin.

    For the rest of your answers - you're going to want to hire a consultant and/or a chemical engineer.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • I appreciate the comments / suggestion.  Thank you. 
  • Hello friends, If you are going to find a suitable cosmetic production machine. i am gonna say I can help you!We are specialized Cosmetic production machine manufacturers. we have been in this area for years. We have mature technology  and skilled engneers. Any Inquiry will be welcome contact me at: Skype:iknjerry Email:Jerry03916@gmail.com in the end i would like to show you some picture of our products.
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  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    Nice. Start new discussion, and include specs, pricing and contact info, please.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    And website information would be nice too.
  • Oh my, I have a response makeupguy. Depending on if you want new or experienced equip.? I get invitations frequently to auctions of companies that are out of business or I don't know what, and heck, it doesn't cost anything to call them up and inquire. I will try and remember to scan and post one this week on this forum. Good luck
  • DavidWDavidW Member, PCF student
    And yet another thread where someone asks a question, gets tons of help and disappears without any other post to even say thank you.  Wasn't anyone taught manners by their parents??
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @DavidW - that's the reality of the Internet.  Fortunately, we have a loyal group that sticks around and more people joining every day.
  • DavidWDavidW Member, PCF student
    Yes, we are fortunate in that respect. 
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