Cosmetic Formulation Chemist Needed

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edited February 2014 in General

Hi Perry,

A couple of weeks ago I stumbled onto your website, found it very informative and requested to be a part...thanks Perry for welcoming me and for providing such a wonderful resource!

Here's my question;  My husband, Dennis and I are the owners of FillTech USA, an FDA/cGMP product development and manufacturing company located in North Carolina...about 45 minutes outside of Charlotte. FillTech USA specializes in turn-key, private label OTC's and personal care products, and thankfully in this crazy economy, our company has been growning by leaps and bounds! We are currently in need of adding an additional Cosmetic/Formulation Chemist to our Team, but are having a difficult time finding applicants without going through head hunters.  Do you know of any resourses that Chemists look to when seeking new career opportunities? Also, does Chemists Corner accept job postings? I'm sure the perfect Chemist for our needs is out there...we're just having a hard time finding them! 

Again, thank you Perry for all you do to encourage and assist those in the industry...you're a blessing!

Kindest regards,

Cookie Jones, President - FillTech USA - 757-620-6160

www.FillTechUSA.com - Cookie@FillTechUSA.com

Comments

  • DavidWDavidW Member, PCF student
    Cookie, I think you are going to find on this site mostly consulting chemists who are will to work from their location.  However, you never know.  As a manufacturer myself I also find it difficult to find in-house chemists at a fair wage.  I find no problems with using consultants on a project basis as needed for those time when I myself have problems with development.  There are some consultants on here who will work with you at a fair and affordable price.  Best of luck.
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    @DavidW, It's that whole "fair wage" issue that trips you and the other personal care manufacturers up all the time, well that, and the problems with relative cost of living. A mid-career cosmetic chemist will say to him/herself "I can make a six-figure salary if I live in the NY/NJ area and work for one of the major companies" and not pay attention to the fact that the cost of living differences means that they could actually live a more comfortable life making just a little more than half that salary if they lived somewhere else. 

    Also, to a certain extent, you get what you pay for...
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    @cookiejones, I'd recomend looking and posting your position on LinkedIn, particularly in the groups specifically for cosmetic chemists and formulators. Make sure to mention that you won't use recruiters.

    Groups I'd suggest:

    All Natural Cosmetic Manufacturing
    Cosmetic Formulation Technology & Development Professionals
    Formulatory - A Forum for Formulation Professionals
    Society of Cosmetic Chemists
    Society of Cosmetic Scientists

    (Full disclosure: I manage the group "Cosmetic Formulation Technology & Development Professionals")
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • DavidWDavidW Member, PCF student
    @bobzchemist You are correct.  Many mid sized manufacturers such as us can't afford to pay $80,000 a year for a chemist.  In the South where I am there are many chemists who will work a day or 2 for one company and then the other days at another. 
  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    I would place an advertisement with the Carolinas Chapter SCC. I believe they have a newsletter coming out pretty soon. The Chapter is very active in your area.
    markfuller@microformulation.com Microformulation.com Microformulation Cosmetic Consulting provides Custom Formulations for both large Commercial accounts as well as smaller entrepreneurs. We can provide Naturally compliant Formulations under the NSF, NPA, Whole Foods and USDA Organic Certifications. BS.Pharm Albany College of Pharmacy, Union University.
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    @DavidW You do know I'm in Atlanta, right?

    You're correct, though - the going rate for experienced cosmetic chemists here seems to be about 70 - 80K in salary, plus benefits and bonus. My rates for consulting (if I had to give up my full-time job) would have to be considerably higher, to make up for the loss in benefits, the need for malpractice insurance, etc.

    My understanding is that the HI&I chemists up the street at ZEP are also making about 60 -80k. 

    But senior chemists/scientists at places like Estee Lauder, Revlon, Avon, etc. are making $120 - 130K or more, (and yet aren't living as well as I am able to here in beautiful downtown Kennesaw, GA, where the weather's usually better, too.)
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    @cookiejones, a big issue I'm sure you're facing is that most cosmetic chemists are clustered in one of three areas: NY/NJ, Chicago, and LA. One of the problems I've found in the hiring process is that many employers do not seem to appreciate the level of risk a cosmetic chemist takes on when they take a job outside of those areas. 

    Companies close, reduce staff, and/or offshore/outsource all the time, and doing a fantastic job is no guarantee that a chemists employment will continue. If a chemist gets caught in that while living/working in one of the areas with a high concentration of jobs/chemists, it may take only a few phone calls to find another job. 

    But if you're in Charlotte, or Atlanta, or Miami and that happens, it can take many months to find another job. It's a near certainty that you're going to have to make an interstate move to get one, too, uprooting your family in the process. So, if an employer isn't willing/able to compensate the chemist for taking on that risk, there will be few, if any, experienced chemists willing to make the initial move.

    Cookie, judging by your job description, you may want to look outside the traditional cosmetic industry for suitable candidates, 
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • DavidWDavidW Member, PCF student
    @Bobzchemist I didn't realize we were neighbors.  When you going to work on the cleaning project for me?
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