Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate

AnnaAnna Member
edited April 2015 in Formulating
HI every one.
i found out that my formula is not dissolved completely. I did check, it seems  Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate  is the problem.

Can any one give me the advice how to  mix this ingredients in the easiest way?

Thank you!


  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    It would help if we knew what type of formula you were making and what other ingredients were in it.
  • What are you dissolving SAP in and at what temp?
  • AnnaAnna Member
    edited April 2015
    Hi Perry , MichelleReece 
     i tried to make the sample again and found out that the problem caused fish eye (it getting bigger some day later) because of Burdock root extract (powder) & White willow bark extract(powder)(even i dissolved in warm water first) and use high sheer mixer(Silverson) at 2600prm.
    Can you tell me should i use power extract in the formula ? or is there any way to fix this problem?
    I couldn't liquid extract in Australia.I will post my formula.
    Thank you1

  • AnnaAnna Member
    my formula below:

    Distilled Water

    Aloe vera powder 200:1

    Xanthan Gum



    Capryloyl Glycerin/Sebacic Acid Copolymer

    Caprylic Capric Triglycerides

     vitamin e natural

    C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate

    OLIVEM 1000

    white willow bark(16:1) powder

    Burdock root extract (4:1) powder


    Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate


    Bearberry extract

    LICORICE extract

    Chamomile Extract

    kakadu plum


    citric acid

  • I apologize for not seeing your post earlier, @Anna. It didn't notify me; try putting an @ after the name(s) so we can get notified. :)

    You might not have enough water to dissolve SAP in. I suspect your plant extracts are taking up too much room. Also, SAP is stable at pH 5-8; your formula could be too acidic.
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist

    Are you pre-dissolving the plant extracts in water prior to forming the emulsion or are you adding them in powder form post-emulsification?

    Trry adding the plant extract powders to your aqueous phase prior to forming the emulsion.

    The SAP is heat sensitive, so it should be added post-emulsification at 30C or so.

    Nix the citric acid ... your final pH in this formula should be 6.0 to 7.0 for max stability of the Niacinamide and SAP.
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

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  • AnnaAnna Member
    edited April 2015

    my final pH is 6.2-6.5 . i tried both ways

    - first time i put  white willow bark(16:1) powder, Burdock root extract (4:1) powder in water phase and heat
    up 65ºC, When sample is finished , it look like not dissolved completely. and
    after a week fish eyes (bubble) got bigger and bigger.

    - Second time, i put the powder extract in the cool down phase. the result is
    as the same the first time.

    -Recently (tried twice)  i was pre-dissolving the plant extracts in water
    at 40ºC, and added it in cool down phase.  when it is finished , it is
    more soothy than before, however i still can see very very eys fish(bubble). it
    doesn't like normal cream even the mixing speed this time i creased to 4500prm.

    it is over 3 days now and i do not see any different yet.

    I did make a formula without these powder extracts 4 months ago ( however added
    citric acid, Sodium citrate, Triethanolamine) , i just heck, it likes normal
    cream.obviously must be something wrong.

  • AnnaAnna Member
    edited April 2015
    @MarkBroussard, @MichelleReece
    I up load the image to photobucket. please help me to check if is something is wrong.
    here is the link
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