Anyone have experience with Plantapon SF in shampoo?

Hi, all.

I am attempting to make my first shampoo and want something that is very gentle and suitable for daily use.  I have no plans to market it -- it's just something for myself.  Any thoughts on the below as a recipe?

water 73%
Plantapon 15% (I believe the recommended minimum is 20%, but one blog claims it is a bit drying at this level?)
Symbiosolv Clear Plus 5% (mainly to help solubilize essential oils)
PCA glyceryl oleate 3%
panthenol 1%
Solagum 1%
essential oils 1%
preservative 1%
citric acid as needed to lower pH


Thank you.


Comments

  • GeorgeBensonGeorgeBenson Member
    edited May 15
    I tried using plantapon sf in a shampoo and did not like it, it was harsh and/or drying if i remember correctly, not pleasant. None of the surfactant blends i tried worked for me in a shampoo. Not saying they dont exist (if they do please tell) but for me i have most success combining individual surfactants to my liking.

    btw 1% is A LOT of essential oil!
  • Also you may want to start closer to 30% surfactants, unless you mean % solids, but im guessing you dont. 
  • suswang8suswang8 Member
    Thank you, but I guess that is why I am trying to use a lower level of the product.  Shouldn't I use considerably less than 30% if it's pretty harsh/drying?  
  • If you have to use it then yes, using less may help with that, but it also probably wont clean or foam as much. Maybe try adding some Cocamidopropyl Betaine as well.
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    Write the inci names
  • suswang8suswang8 Member
    INCI: Sodium Cocoamphoacetate (and) Glycerin (and) Lauryl Glucoside (and) Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate (and) Sodium Lauryl Glucose Carboxylate

    Active surfactant matter:  30%
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    This formula will not condition your hair and may not clean your hair properly. 

    It may also make your hair dry because you will try use more and more to clean properly.

    If you want to make a gentle shampoo, use a blend that has SCI or SLMI as primary surfactant.

  • @suswang8
    I used Plantapon SF in a face cleanser and in my opinion:
    - foaming was weak,
    - it was drying even when used at low concentration,
    - foam disappears in the presence of oil.

    Try SCI with Cocamidopropyl Betaine. Actually, it is my favorite combination so far, and it is really gentle. Just try to choose a good quality Cocamidopropyl Betaine, some may make scalp itchy.
    You can also double check if 3% PCA glyceryl oleate doesn't irritate the eyes (I had that problem).

  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    We have had great results with Plantapon SF. Use a refatter, Lamesoft PO65 is great.
    markfuller@microformulation.com Microformulation.com Microformulation Cosmetic Consulting provides Custom Formulations for both large Commercial accounts as well as smaller entrepreneurs. We can provide Naturally compliant Formulations under the NSF, NPA, Whole Foods and USDA Organic Certifications. BS.Pharm Albany College of Pharmacy, Union University.
  • Hi, @Microformulation.
    What % of each do you recommend for a mild shampoo? 

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