Keratine - how do you produce it?

ZahraZahra Member
edited March 10 in General
Hello
      I work as a keratinizer in a research and laboratory company
I have trouble making it

Can anyone guide me through the process of making and rating materials?
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  • chemicalmattchemicalmatt Member, Professional Chemist
    @Zahra, what exactly does a "keratinizer" do? Help us understand.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hello
    Keratin is a person who treats damaged hair with dechlorinated and colored hair, curly and dry hair and low creatine because keratin strengthens the hair.
    With keratin, this substance is provided in damaged hair. Keratin, which is available in various forms, also smoothes curly hair.
    Japanese keratin rebonding
    Regenerative keratin
  • ZahraZahra Member
    I'm sorry
    Keratinizer
  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    edited March 12
    Why make your own Keratin? There are many different standardized sources of raw material and unless it is your primary role to create Raw materials (a very specialized task requiring regulatory and analytical Chemistry knowledge), it will cost you more in time and money to create an inferior raw material.
    markfuller@microformulation.com Microformulation.com Microformulation Cosmetic Consulting provides Custom Formulations for both large Commercial accounts as well as smaller entrepreneurs. We can provide Naturally compliant Formulations under the NSF, NPA, Whole Foods and USDA Organic Certifications. BS.Pharm Albany College of Pharmacy, Union University.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hi thanks
    Keratin treatment
    I meant to apply to the hair
  • What are the ingredients in the product?
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hi
    Ingredients
    Water
    Glyoxylic acid
    Glycolic acid
    Polyquaternium 6
    Phenoxyethanol
    Ethyl hexyl glycerol
    Cyclopentasiloxane
    Dimethicone
    Dimethiconol
    Amo dimethicon
    Vinyl pyrrolidone
    Polyvinyl alcohol
    Alcohol style
    Stearyl alcohol
    Isopropyl myristate
    Argan oil
    Behntrimonium mesulfate
    Steriumonium chloride
    Di Sodium EDTA
    Tocopherol acetate
  • ZahraZahra Member
    I'm sorry
    Cetyl alcohol 
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    edited March 13
    It is a conditioner with cationic surfactants and silicones. There is no keratin here. Any conditioner with silicones and cationic surfactant would perform almost the same.

    In that product keratin is just the company or product name.


  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hello, in these samples, there is also keratin protein, which plays a strengthening role in the hair. The smoothness that the product creates is quarantined for three days, after which the hair is ironed, after which the hair is washed with free sulfate shampoo.

    My goal is to combine these ingredients to create a smooth hair for several months
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hi. Excuse me
    I'm In Ingredients
    Hydrolyzed keratin
      I did not enter
  • The smoothness of hair is from silicones.

     Keratin is just for marketing.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Thank you
    I still know that silicone is also a emollient.
     And ironing does not damage the hair.
    Cationic surfactants also bind to creatine proteins.
    Of course, some Brazilian creatine uses formaldehyde, which we do not want to use but are thinking of replacing.
    Because formaldehyde is cross-linked with creatine proteins.
    But I want to know how to make keratins like Brazilian creatine without formaldehyde.
    Because when I go through the production process like a conditioner or hair mask, I do not get the desired result.
    Creatine and surfactants appear to mix cationic and amino acids such as cysteine ​​and add to silicon and other materials after drying.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    I have trouble making silicone argan hair serum. I do not know how to combine argan oil, which is a polar oil, with silicone.
    On the other hand, I do not know what to do to add essential oil or add color?
    Because its color becomes dull.
    But without oil and essential oils and dyes
    It becomes transparent.
    I think I should use phenyltrimethicone to combine oils and essential oils with silicon.
    And I have to use methicillin capril to combine paint with silicone.
    Do you know the process of this serum? Can you guide me?
    I think they need a temperature above 250 degrees Celsius to combine.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    I'm sorry
    caprylyl Metichone 
  • PattsiPattsi Member
    Hi @Zahra ;
    Zahra said:
    My goal is to combine these ingredients to create a smooth hair for several months
    إنه ليس منتجًا سهلً
    .مثالك
    water, Ethanolamine Thioglycolate, Peg-20 Castor Oil, Ethanolamine, Ammonium Thioglycolate, Propylene Glycol, Cetyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Mineral Oil, Ceteareth-20, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Ammonium Bicarbonate, Polyquaternium-10, Sodium Phosphoric Acid, Etidronic Acid, Arginine, Disodium edta, Aloe Extract, Red-213, Fragrance

    .شوفي هذا الويب
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4992267A/en

    .عملاؤك من الجزيرة العربية ومصر؟ تبدئين في منتجات شيسيدو
    .آسف ، قواعد لغتي سيئة. لا اتكتب العربية منذ وقت طويل
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hi, thanks
    Thank you very much
  • AbdullahAbdullah Member
    edited March 14
    Are you a formulator?

    Have you made any product before?

    I think you have problem with a lot of things. 

    My suggestion is to study a lot or take a course to learn properly or hire a formulator to make a formula for you that works. 


  • ZahraZahra Member
    Abdullah said:
    Are you a formulator?

    Have you made any product before?

    I think you have problem with a lot of things. 

    My suggestion is to study a lot or take a course to learn properly or hire a formulator to make a formula for you that works. 


    Hi thanks
    I have a master's degree in organic chemistry.
    I work for a cosmetics company.
    I am responsible for making the formulation.
    I studied a lot, but found something incomprehensible about it, keratin treatment.
    Which confused me in making that process.
    Also for silicone serums
    We have not synthesized many things at the moment.
    hair mask
    hair conditioner
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hello, thank you
    Guide me through the process of making keratin and revitalizing hair straighteners?
    Are the steps of making keratin treatment similar to the steps of making conditioner or hair mask?

  • @Zahra I understand you want to make a hair straightener. For that, the common actives are thioglycolates and carbocysteine (although not as potent as thioglycolates). Formaldehyde was used in the past, but has been withdrawn due to safety issues, especially for hair dressers. 

    Hydrolyzed keratin doesn't perform any significant role in these products. Consider that the ingredient is hydrolyzed in order to the added to a cosmetic, which means, rather than having the full protein (which can have film forming properties), you have smaller pieces (mostly in the form of peptides). They can have many different molecular weights, but they are also more water soluble than the protein,which makes the chance of interacting with hair very low. 

    I'd advise you to focus more on the straightener's stability in your formula, and the conditioning agents, rather than the keratin (which you can find from many suppliers).
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @Zahra - You should read this Types of cosmetic ingredients

    Keratin is what I would call a "claims" ingredient. The strategy companies do is make a standard straightener, add a small amount of keratin and then call it a keratin hair straightener. But the keratin doesn't really have much effect.

  • One hair straightening ingredient is formaldehyde that i think doesn't have any alternative.

    Another way is conditioner with silicones. 
  • ZahraZahra Member
    ketchito said:
    @Zahra I understand you want to make a hair straightener. For that, the common actives are thioglycolates and carbocysteine (although not as potent as thioglycolates). Formaldehyde was used in the past, but has been withdrawn due to safety issues, especially for hair dressers. 

    Hydrolyzed keratin doesn't perform any significant role in these products. Consider that the ingredient is hydrolyzed in order to the added to a cosmetic, which means, rather than having the full protein (which can have film forming properties), you have smaller pieces (mostly in the form of peptides). They can have many different molecular weights, but they are also more water soluble than the protein,which makes the chance of interacting with hair very low. 

    I'd advise you to focus more on the straightener's stability in your formula, and the conditioning agents, rather than the keratin (which you can find from many suppliers).
    Hello, thank you, Kachito
    Yes, I want to straighten my hair.
    I know these substances are necessary, namely thioglycolic acid and carbocysteine
    But I have a problem with the manufacturing process and the percentage of consumables.
    Yes, hydrolyzed creatine is the same as peptide.
    But according to my study, the presence of cationic surfactants along with silicones play an important role in smoothing and removing hair follicles.
    But I do not know if I will succeed in making conditioner or hair mask.
    Even increasing or decreasing the percentage of silicones, oils or emollients and collagen and keratin proteins does not give the right result.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Perry said:
    @Zahra - You should read this Types of cosmetic ingredients

    Keratin is what I would call a "claims" ingredient. The strategy companies do is make a standard straightener, add a small amount of keratin and then call it a keratin hair straightener. But the keratin doesn't really have much effect.

    Hello Mr. Perry, thank you
    Yes, keratin protein only seems to play a small role in my opinion.
    Because above 15% makes hair brittle.
    I have trouble in the manufacturing process of exactly what to combine with what.
    For how long
    Do I have to put keratin and cationic surfactants on the temperature and stir and then dry them and mix them with silicone and oil and other emollients or not? Is it another way or not ...
    I wanted to get help from Mr. Matt. You can introduce me to him. He has experience in this field.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Abdullah said:
    One hair straightening ingredient is formaldehyde that i think doesn't have any alternative.

    Another way is conditioner with silicones. 
    Hi, thanks
    Yes, I know, but in making hair straighteners
    This substance is not used in Brazilian keratins for hair straightening.
    I have read in many articles that thioglycolic acid or glycolic acid or glyoxylic acid has been used instead.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hi thanks
    Can anyone really guide me through the construction process?
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Hello, thank you for your good comments
    But to make a hair straightener using cationic surfactants, I do not know if a few surfactants are used, it should be a few percent in a total volume of 50 grams.
    When I increase them, stickiness is created, when I use them less, it does not give the desired result.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    In your opinion
    Hair straighteners
    What surfactants are used instead of formaldehyde?
    I have a problem with the production process
    No one can help this process?
  • Zahra said:
    Hello, thank you for your good comments
    But to make a hair straightener using cationic surfactants, I do not know if a few surfactants are used, it should be a few percent in a total volume of 50 grams.
    When I increase them, stickiness is created, when I use them less, it does not give the desired result.
    Then don't use more or less. Use the middle amount
  • Just be careful you don't hurt yourself with your products or ingredients. 

    I know your situation right now. 
    I was in your situation when i started thinking about making cosmetic products.

    Let's make a few things clear 

    You don't know anything right now. (With respect)

    The products you make will be worse than any product in the market. Accept this fact

    If you want to make a good product, study some reputable books in cosmetic or take a reputable course like the course from this website to make learning faster and easier for you. 
    Or purchase a good formula from an good chemist with a good price and save yourself a lot of time and money and everything.
    There are a lot of good chemist here an most of them would sell you formula.

    And last, try and test and try and test until you make something good. That is how we learn and improve. 

    I have made about 400 different versions of shampoo that was not as good as what i am currently making. 
    I have washed my hairs several times a day, several times to find out the long term effect of it faster. 
    Like this my other products. 

    Do don't expect your first product sample to be the best for the next of your life.

  • ZahraZahra Member
    Abdullah said:
    Just be careful you don't hurt yourself with your products or ingredients. 

    I know your situation right now. 
    I was in your situation when i started thinking about making cosmetic products.

    Let's make a few things clear 

    You don't know anything right now. (With respect)

    The products you make will be worse than any product in the market. Accept this fact

    If you want to make a good product, study some reputable books in cosmetic or take a reputable course like the course from this website to make learning faster and easier for you. 
    Or purchase a good formula from an good chemist with a good price and save yourself a lot of time and money and everything.
    There are a lot of good chemist here an most of them would sell you formula.

    And last, try and test and try and test until you make something good. That is how we learn and improve. 

    I have made about 400 different versions of shampoo that was not as good as what i am currently making. 
    I have washed my hairs several times a day, several times to find out the long term effect of it faster. 
    Like this my other products. 

    Do don't expect your first product sample to be the best for the next of your life.

    Hi thanks
    But I have a master's degree in organic chemistry myself.
    I will try my best.
    I used ingredients that are found in many cosmetic products
    I also set the percentages based on the allowed percentages.
    I am looking for a solution.
    Do not seek comparison.
    Thank you, I'm careful.
    I work for a cosmetics company.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 16
    Perry said:
    @Zahra - You should read this Types of cosmetic ingredients
    Keratin is what I would call a "claims" ingredient. The strategy companies do is make a standard straightener, add a small amount of keratin and then call it a keratin hair straightener. But the keratin doesn't really have much effect.

    Excuse me, of course
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @Zahra ; - if you want help, list all the ingredients you are using, the percentages you are using, the manufacturing procedure you are following, and the problem you are having. 

    Without that information there is not much helpful advice people can give.

  • 1Armand21Armand2 Member
    edited March 17
    Abdullah said:
    Just be careful you don't hurt yourself with your products or ingredients. 

    I know your situation right now. 
    I was in your situation when i started thinking about making cosmetic products.

    Let's make a few things clear...
    I’m sure she knows what she’s doing better than most of us because she has a master’s degree! 
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 17
    1Armand2 said:
    Abdullah said:
    Just be careful you don't hurt yourself with your products or ingredients. 

    I’m sure she knows what she’s doing better than most of us because she has a master’s degree! 
    Hello
    I did not say that because I have a master's degree
    I know better than anyone !!!! ??
    Here are tips on various issues.
    Because you have failed in some products. You say your products are worse than other products on the market.
    I am currently a researcher and I need a lot of experience because I am new to cosmetics.
    I asked you for guidance.
    Thank you for your hope!
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 17
    Zahra said:
    Abdullah said:

    Do don't expect your first product sample to be the best for the next of your life.

    Hi thanks
    But I have a master's degree in organic chemistry myself.
    I will try my best.
    I used ingredients that are found in many cosmetic products
    I also set the percentages based on the allowed percentages.
    I am looking for a solution.
    Do not seek comparison.
    Thank you, I'm careful.
    I work for a cosmetics company.
    I asked you for help because I work as a novice cosmetics researcher in a company.
    I have been working for 16 months.
    I did not receive a salary.
    I have made many commitments to produce many products.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 17
    Zahra said:
    Zahra said:
    Abdullah said:
    Do don't expect your first product sample to be the best for the next of your life.

    Hi thanks
    But I have a master's degree in organic chemistry myself.
    I will try my best.
    I used ingredients that are found in many cosmetic products
    I also set the percentages based on the allowed percentages.
    I am looking for a solution.
    Do not seek comparison.
    Thank you, I'm careful.
    I work for a cosmetics company.
    I read a lot on beauty sites and books.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 17
    I read a lot on beauty sites and books.
    I read many articles to get each product.
    I asked a question because I was skeptical about a certain percentage of the materials and the manufacturing process.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 17
    Abdullah said:
    Just be careful you don't hurt yourself with your products or ingredients. 

    I know your situation right now. 
    I was in your situation when i started thinking about making cosmetic products.

    Let's make a few things clear ...
    Hello, thank you for your help
    I try like you
    I tried so hard
    Because the material money is not from me, it belongs to the company, they reduce their loss from me.
    I also studied chemistry.
    But in our country, like in European countries, chemistry is not taught properly in many universities.
  • PattsiPattsi Member
    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1037273.pdf?bs=1375&b=120823&st=20&r=asia&ind=personalcare

    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1570364.pdf?bs=33091&b=987498&st=20&r=asia&ind=personalcare

    You can start from these free formulas, there're also manufacturing processes in there.

    I'm sorry, this is the extent limit I can help as we might be direct competitor in the near future.
    Perry said:
    @Zahra ; - if you want help, list all the ingredients you are using, the percentages you are using, the manufacturing procedure you are following, and the problem you are having. 

    Without that information there is not much helpful advice people can give.

    As Perry said, if you don't provide information or problem you are having, other members would not be able to give much help. 

  • ZahraZahra Member
    Pattsi said:
    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1037273.pdf?bs=1375&b=120823&st=20&r=asia&ind=personalcare

    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1570364.pdf?bs=33091&b=987498&st=20&r=asia&ind=personalcare

    You can start from these free formulas, there're also manufacturing processes in there.

    I'm sorry, this is the extent limit I can help as we might be direct competitor in the near future.
    Perry said:
    @Zahra ; - if you want help, list all the ingredients you are using, the percentages you are using, the manufacturing procedure you are following, and the problem you are having. 

    Without that information there is not much helpful advice people can give.

    As Perry said, if you don't provide information or problem you are having, other members would not be able to give much help. 

    Hi, thanks
    But I can not be your rival because there is so much distance between us!

    I joined this association to open a way for me and others in trouble.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Zahra said:
    Zahra said:
    Pattsi said:
    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1037273.pdf?bs=1375&b=120823&st=20&r=asia&ind=personalcare

    https://www.ulprospector.com/documents/1570364.pdf?bs=33091&b=987498&st=20&r=asia&ind=personalcare

    You can start from these free formulas, there're also manufacturing processes in there.

    I'm sorry, this is the extent limit I can help as we might be direct competitor in the near future.
    Perry said:
    @Zahra ; - if you want help, list all the ingredients you are using, the percentages you are using, the manufacturing procedure you are following, and the problem you are having. 

    Without that information there is not much helpful advice people can give.

    As Perry said, if you don't provide information or problem you are having, other members would not be able to give much help. 

    Hi, thanks
    But I can not be your rival because there is so much distance between us!

    I joined this association to open a way for me and others in trouble.

    I can not enter this site
    Our company does not have email.
    Not even with my email.
    Thank you

    I can not enter this site
    Our company does not have email.
    Not even with my email.
    Thank you
  • PattsiPattsi Member




    © as in the pictures.

    لا تعتقد لا عربي أو مصري أنا؟
  • ZahraZahra Member
    edited March 21
    Pattsi said:

    Hi, thanks
    No, I do not think you are Egyptian or Arab
    I am not an Arab either
  • ZahraZahra Member
    Zahra said:
    Zahra said:The content of the photos is not legible for me.

    Pattsi said:




    © as in the pictures.

    لا تعتقد لا عربي أو مصري أنا؟
    Hi, thanks
    No, I do not think you are Egyptian or Arab
    I am not an Arab either

    You can resend photos. The second photo is not very clear.
  • ZahraZahra Member
    • Hi thanks
      Ingredient:
      Collagen protein 4.6 g
      Hydrolyzed keratin protein 4.5 g
      Cysteine 0.53 g
      Polyvinyl alcohol 0.11 g
      Polyvinyl pyrrolidone 0.5 g
      2 drops of glycolic acid
      3 drops of glyoxylic acid
      Polydimethylsiloxane 5 cc
      Dimethicone 2 cc
      Dimethicone 350 ....... 3 cc
      Amo Dimethicone 5.5 cc
      Elastomeric silicon 9045 ...... 1 cc
      Hydroxyethyl cellulose 0.5 g
      Disodium 0.1 g
      Water 15 cc
      Ethyl hexyl glycerol 0.64 g
      Tocopherol acetate 0.37 g
      Polysorbate 0.3 g
      Polyquaternium 6 ...... 0.4 g
      Phenoxyethanol 0.5 g
      Cetyl stearyl alcohol 0.7 g
      Stearate -20. ...... 0.6 g
      Butter object butter 2 g
      Dexpanthenol 2.7 g
      Stainless alcohol 0.8 g
      I set the aqueous phase at 80 ° C.
      Place the silicones at 110 ° C after dropping the temperature to 80 ° C
      Place the oil phase at 80 ° C
      After a while
      Mix the phases together.
      But when applied to the hair, it does not give much result.
      The hair is up to 40% smooth and soft.
    • ZahraZahra March 18
      I have synthesized about 75 types of hair straighteners, but the results are almost the same
      I also set the pH to 5.5 to 6
      I do not know if the work process is difficult or not?
    • ZahraZahra March 18

  • ZahraZahra Member
    • Zahra
      Zahra
      March 18
      I think I reduced the amount of cationic surfactants because the static electricity charge in the hair was not neutralized.
      On the other hand, I wanted to use non-ionic and amphoteric surfactants.
      What do you think could be the problem?
  • ZahraZahra Member

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