Replacement for polyglyceryl-4 caprate (available in EU?)

I am formulating a curly hair product and I need to find a replacement for polyglyceryl-4 caprate. Any suggestions - even better if the manufacturer is in the EU? On UL Prospector I can only find it in the US (Evonik).

Thanks in advance! 

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  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    I thought Evonik (formerly Degussa) was a German company?
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  • Well, my access to request a sample from Evonik was I existent so I think I only assumed they were from the US ;!

    I found however one other supplier and I just contacted them. But just in case this does not work, what coul I use as a substitute in hair care formulation?
  • DavidDavid Member
    edited March 2015
    UL Prospector also restricts my access sometimes - however I just call or Email the supplier directly and they usually are very helpful.
  • Bill_TogeBill_Toge Member, Professional Chemist
    as @Bobzchemist said, Evonik are a German company, and they don't like dealing with small quantities directly; to get their products you'll need to contact their distributor in your area
    UK based formulation chemist. Strongest subjects: hair styling, hair bleaches, hair dyes (oxidative and non-oxidative) I know some stuff about: EU regulations, emulsions (O/W and W/O), toothpaste, mouthwash, shampoos, other toiletries
  • Yes, I already realized that I am one of the small fish and I still need to rely on other suppliers for a bunch of ingredients! 

    I already found an italian web site which sells it, so need to check my budget as shipping is not cheap and I feel like a kid in the candy store! 
  • The company Hydrior in Switzerland offers also Polyglyceryl-4 Caprate. They offer two qualities with slightly different HLB values: HYDRIOL PGCH.4 and HYDRIOL PGCL.4. The minimum order quantity is 25 kg. Hydrior produces also other polyglycerol esters (see www.hydrior.com).

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