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  • My name is Liz. I'm a trainee EU patent attorney. I have a degree in chemistry and pharmacology and a phd in chemistry and have a general interest in science and innovation. I make my own cosmetics as a hobby.
  • braveheartbraveheart Member
    edited December 2014
    My name is John, but I like the braveheart screen name :). It took me a while to get my head around looking for the WELCOME page, I was so engrossed by the amount of information and readiness to help that is available on this forum. Thanks for the openness and generosity.

    I have been doing a lot of experimentation with skin care, especially creams, lotions and recently shower gels. For the past 5 years, I have been making my own creams and lotions, but not been successful with the shower gel part.

    Somehow, I just stumbled across Perry's Stability test article and was impressed by the amount of information and tips he shared in the simple article.

    Friends and family are constantly demanding me to make creams and lotions for them and it's becoming an expensive hobby, so I started thinking of commercializing, then I saw Perry's PDF on starting a skin care business, which is a great summary of the fragments of information I have been learning here and there over the past two years or so. 

    Thanks for allowing me to be part of this forum and I hope to be of help where I can for others, too.
  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    How nice to see two new enthusiastic people! Welcome!
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • Thanks.
    I am fast becoming your student, too. Reading up on your discussions.
  • Hi , I'm Jane from England. I have a degree in chemistry , worked for a oil formulations company before training to become a Science Teacher.I I have been making my own skin creams for a little while and now am looking to learn  everything I can in order to start my own small business...Big plans from small acorns and all that... 

  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    Welcome to the forum, Jane. I used to teach physics and chemistry, too, and began making skin creams.
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • @Belassi, WOW!!!
    Am speechless - you almost sound like a Yoruba man.
    Thank you so much for your words; am pretty sure you had a great time in Naija.

    Are you still here or do you still visit?
    Teniolami Adejuwon. Executive Director (BBN) Beauty By Nature Inc. Co-Founders: Podozi Online Beauty Store www.podozi.com and Makeup In Nigeria Conference
  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    @TeniBeauty, it was a long time ago. I was putting radio stations into Owerri, Akure, Lagos State, a few other places that I can't even find on the map, like Ashileke!
    I had good times and bad times, the malaria for instance, but to be able to see Fela at the shrine and then to go back to his house - ah, that was unforgettable! I get eye for back bout dat! I have written a memoir about it all, on my web site.
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • Hi everyone. My name is, Debbie and I live way back in the boonies of, WV.

    I work as an adult care provider for 3 disabled adults, and have been doing this for 15 years. Providing good skin care is part of my every day job. Due to this, I became interested in the, 'What makes this lotion, cream, med, etc work' side of skincare (along with my 50 year old face ) [..]

    My goal is to learn all that I can absorb about different ingredients and how they work together, as well as why. I want to learn to formulate so that I can make beneficial products for my clients and myself while saving money. Once I gain knowledge, I want to share it.

    Thank you for accepting me into the forum.
  • yq1yq1 Member
    Hi! My name is Grace, I'm from Hong Kong, my friends call me YQ an abbreviation from my Chinese name. Thanks Perry for creating the online course and creating this forum and to everybody helping with answers! I'm a beginner in cosmetic formulating with little to no chemistry background except for what has been taught in high school which was many years ago. My company branched out into skincare from first researching about what makes life tick, what causes our life problems, illnesses and emotional and financial turmoil. Since 2000 we have been working with "alternative" ways of helping people getting through life crisis. We come up with different types of products and therapies and have been quite successful at it. We also offer courses to people who want to learn about what we do. About 2 years ago people commented that they had been looking younger and having skin quality while using some of these products so we started to branch out into the skincare business. Some trusted clients put together a fund for us to start the business. Without knowing anything about the business and the chemistry behind skincare (my major is architecture!!) we ventured out to try something new. Feedback on our products have been quite good but we still need a lot of professional advice and help to make sure our products are safe and stable for the market. Looking forward to learning more from everyone in this forum!! 
  • Hi all,

    My name is Nanayaa Everett, I have a background in Biology and Paint Chemistry (R&D). I currently work for a paint company and my interest/hobby is making lotions and cosmetics. Now i want to make it a bussiness, my focus is to make a sunscreen that is not greessy and also smell good. After reading this blog post i think i found what am looking for, learning from you guys. I will need your help in this journey

  • Hello, I'm Wendy.

    I am here looking to learn as much as possible, primarily by reading the existing discussions. No professional background to speak of, I'm curious in formulating things for personal use. I have some questions to ask as well, but I'll do my best to give thorough attention to all the readily info available here first :)

    Many thanks in advance!
  • Perry, When will you offer your next beginner course on how to make shampoo? I'm in NJ
  • looking forward for t new course of the year perry
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @head2head - I'm doing a formulating course in April in New York. The SCC will have information on it.  http://scconline.org
  • Hi everyone

    I am Stephanie from Malaysia. Unlike many of you all here I have only started working in an oleochemical company a year back. Just recently I have move to the application mainly focusing in cosmetic. I find this blog very interesting. I am also reading Perry's book Beginning Cosmetic Chemistry. I am looking forward to gain more knowledge from all the experienced people in this blog :)
  • Hi everyone

    I am a development chemist in south africa and focus on ethnic hair care products. I have been following this forum as a guest for a number of years so I decided it was about time I joined.
  • Hi everyone,

    My name is George Tedder and for the past few years have been a home formulator (no industry experience). Recently an esthetician whose son I used to teach contacted me about formulating and helping her develop her own line of cosmetics for her clients, so Im here to learn all I can!
  • Hello my name is Lee,

    I am a business professor, and I am working on creating my own skin care line.

    I am mostly interested in formulating natural skin care products.  I have been tinkering

    with cosmetic formulations for the last 3 years, and have come to the realization that I

    have a lot to learn. 

  • Hello Lee, I am closing my business of natural skincare. I am selling my formulations. If you are interested,see Natural skincare formulations for sale in Requests and Opportunities forum for more information.
  • Hello all,

    my name is Lara and I'm from Munich.
    I've made an apprentinceship as a chemical laboratory assistant at a university for food technology.
    Since 2 1/2 years I am working at a fragrance house as a 'laboratory assistant development' and my job is to rework existing formula to actual customer desires or - our new aim - developing new cosmetic formula (regarding physical properties/skin feel/...).
    This contains planning, development and stability testing for all personal care but decorative.
    Before this job I never gave a single thought about cosmetics but now I am really passionate about it! :)
    I can't stop doing research and I would like to find solutions for all existing problems in the formulations I know ;-) ha ha

    I'm so happy that I've found this page and I'm looking forward for some exchange.
  • Hello everyone!

    I am Sofia. I study chemistry for cosmetics in Germany. My motivation to study and make cosmetics was bad experience with cosmetics and unsatisfactory performance of cosmetics that I used. Back in the past my interests moved to natural cosmetics and later to aromatherapy. In fact an informed use of pure oils and oils mixtures is what I call natural cosmetics without any buts. Now I don't use any standard available leave-on cosmetics except for make-up of course ;;)
    So my biggest interest is formulating skin-care with highly functional ingredients. My dream is to develop cosmetics in a pharmaceutical company in Germany.
  • BelassiBelassi Member, PCF student
    Welcome to the forum Sofia!
    Cosmetic Brand Creation. Concept to name to IMPI search to logo and brand registration. In-house graphic design inc. Pantone specs. Cosmetic label and box design & graphics.
  • Hi,  I've been lurking around for a little while and think it's about time I said hello.

    I've signed up for Perry's Natural Cosmetic Formulating Course and looking forward to learning lots!

    I live in Scotland where we have an employability program for recovering addicts and ex-offenders, the initial plan was to make traditional Cold Process Soap with the Shea Butter which is produced by a co-op we've helped to establish in the Upper East Region in Ghana.  As momentum has grown we've realised that we need to add some other products.  Liquid Soap and anhydrous balms seemed to be the easiest route, but now looking to bring some hair products and emulsions in too. The goal, of course being to use lots of lovely unrefined shea butter when possible.
    We pay all our team a minimum of the living wage and surplus profit goes back to Ghana in aid and development.  

    Our customer base seem to want 'natural' cosmetics without parabens, sls etc and so I'm learning as much as I can in that area.    

  • vidakaramoozvidakaramooz Member, PCF student
    Hello Perry,

    My name is Vida.  I am one of your students in the Natural Formulating Course.  This is my second course with you. 

    I have been studying and experimenting with natural skin formulation for the last four years.   During this time, I have become aware of its challenges to compete with the non-natural products.  I am very excited to learn more from this class and to reconnect with a group of cosmetic formulators and experts.   

  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Hello new students!

    I'm looking forward to hearing your questions and comments about formulating with natural ingredients.

    Feel free to post any questions that occur to you as you go through the course.
  • vidakaramoozvidakaramooz Member, PCF student
    edited February 2015
    Dear Perry,

    For the last 6 months, I have been working on formulating natural shampoos and conditioners that contain no sulfate and petroleum.  I have learned that almost all shampoos and conditioners sold at Whole Foods Market contain some kind of petroleum based ingredients such as Behentrimonium Chloride, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, etc.  Would you consider these types of products as Tier 3, 4, or not even in the natural category at all?  

    I want to get your opinion on Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate and Rice Quat.  Would they be qualified to be used in the Tier 3 Natural products?    Are there any concerns about these two ingredients in the natural market?


  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Hello Vida - These would probably be Tier 3 but depending on the formula Tier 4.  
    However, Behentrimonium Chloride and Stearamdioprpoyl Dimethylamine do not necessarily have to be petroleum based ingredients.  They can be made from plant starting materials.

    The Cocoyl Taurate and Rice Quat would really depend on the standard that you are following.  They would not qualify under COSMOS standards but I think they would under the NSF standards.  

    I'm not familiar with any concerns about the ingredients.  Only that they can not be produced "naturally" so some certification groups don't consider them natural.
  • vidakaramoozvidakaramooz Member, PCF student
    edited February 2015

    Hello Perry,
    I spoke to Thor Company and  a few others, they all indicated that the starting material for Behentrimonium Chloride is petroleum.   Do you know of any suppliers that might have the plant-based version?

    Thank you,


  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    Behentrimonium methosulfate can be derived from rapeseed and canola oil.
    markfuller@microformulation.com Microformulation.com Microformulation Cosmetic Consulting provides Custom Formulations for both large Commercial accounts as well as smaller entrepreneurs. We can provide Naturally compliant Formulations under the NSF, NPA, Whole Foods and USDA Organic Certifications. BS.Pharm Albany College of Pharmacy, Union University.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Hello Vida - This would probably work better as a new discussion so you can get input from more chemists.  Just click the "New Discussion" button at the top right and start a new discussion.

    I don't know which supplier is producing the plant derived versions of those ingredients off the top of my mind.  
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    This really belongs in another thread, but briefly -  Thor is not known for using natural feedstock. Try Croda. Also, using natural feedstock costs more, so the only reason to use it is to gain a marketing advantage, which means that anyone making a raw material made from natural ingredients will be shouting that fact from the rooftops - you shouldn't have to call anyone.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • Greetings. I've been in the industry ten years.
  • Hi, my name is Nono, working as a Scientist in HK. My background is in Applied Chemistry, where I did my PhD. I am embarking to have my own skin care product line in the future. Thus, I would love to learn more and do more research. 

    This forum will be helpful in building up my own line someday.

    Thank you so much Perry.

  • Hi all. My formal education is not in chemistry or cosmetics, but I have been constantly educating myself for about eight years now from internet resources and trial and error. Formulating is fascinating! I look forward to learning more from this great forum. Thanks so much!
  • Hi, I'm Nanette and I'm new to cosmetic formulating. I've been spending quite a bit of time reading through everyone's posts, learning a lot, and envying many of your science backgrounds. I'll admit to a certain amount of trepidation introducing myself to such a learned group but it seemed that I should even if I can not offer advice.

    My education and background are not in science. I've taught myself, through gracious folks like yourselves, the bare basics of formulating and some basic Chemistry 101. I'm doing well with about a half dozen self emulsifiers but haven't attempted strictly using the HLB system. I'm still trying to keep anionic, cationic, non-ionic ingredients, best preservatives per formula, etc, all straight in my head (and rapidly expanding notebook). I have advanced from the lotion course I took at a local arts center, Spruill in Atlanta, GA, in which the instructor advocated beeswax and borax. When my attempts to replicate those formulas failed I immersed myself in learning why that was. Careful what you ask for! I am completely hooked. Also, a bit surprised about how much I look forward to the time I can carve out of the day to dedicate to learning more or making a new formula.

    Perry, I hope to take one of your online courses in the very near future. Thanks to everyone for sharing your expertise.
  • chelsea78chelsea78 PCF student


    I am new to the Natural Formulating Course. I have no science background (actually psychology lol), although I have been working as a lab tech for a natural skincare company in Seattle for the past year and a half.

    I am excited to learn more and have all your great advice available.



  • Hello all,

    Took me a while but eventually I clued in to forum etiquette. So here goes my introduction: 

    I am nowhere near a chemist. I live in Northern Yukon and have a glacially fed river that runs past our property; yes we have flood insurance. The silt this river carries forms the most sensory rich mud imaginable which sparked an interest in turning it into skin care which led to difficulty stabilizing emulsions which led to some troubled musing and eventually to Perry and the rest of you.

    What a wonderful resource. It's been so much fun grasping at all this information that is floating around just beyond my understanding. I foresee a class or two with Perry in my near future and a string of hopefully not too juvenile comments on this forum. 


  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    edited March 2015
    Good day/night everyone,

    I'm very glad I've found this place with people from around the world sharing the same interest (at least one of them). More so, a place where professionals and novices can interact in a very constructive manner.

    My name is Andreas and you may communicate in German, English, or French with me. Originally from Switzerland, my current home is France but tomorrow might be an entirely different place... though happily married, we haven't really settled down yet.

    I'm a pharmacist by training and worked part time in a pharmacy to finance my PhD in pharmacognosy and phytochemistry about anti-inflammatory activities of ginger. I added a PostDoc in the same fields but on chemopreventive activities of plants and am now searching for a job other than academic research. I'd like to do things with plants, create something new, something which people can actually hold in their hands (or put on their heads :) ), and the cosmetics industry seems to be the right place for that.
    Besides, I love making all kinds of herbal, pharmaceutical, cosmeceutical, and 'functionalised' cosmetic preparations not only for people but also for pets and even plants but I do so only as an on-and-off hobby. I know I should do something more with it but I guess I lack the needed marketing skills... or the guts to become independent.

    I appreciated studying pharmacy very much because it came with a very broad set of scientific fields where I focused (and still do) mainly on medicinal plants and galenics, but also life sciences, organic chemistry, biology (human and plant physiology, veterinary medicine), and at home 'kitchen chemistry' and all sorts of formulations. My latest addition to things I'm interested in are NADES. Besides that, we have four little dogs to cuddle and a garden where only girasole, mildew, and snails thrive...
    As a pharmacist it seems I'm getting pre-categorised by the industries, too bad for me it's not in the areas of my interests. True, I am a bit a Jack of all trades although with profoundness (haha, tell that Santa Claus) and I try to learn something new every day which might explain why I had so far no luck getting a job where I really wanted. BTW what the heck is pharmacognosy anyway and you really have a Dr. title on a spice? :D

    Friends and family tell me I should use all this knowledge to create something on my own, that there are a lot of people knowing less but selling 'something'. Or I should do consulting as I like helping people finding personalised solutions; I'm actually pretty good at explaining difficult stuff in a practical way but I guess I'm terrible with marketing myself. Anyway, now I try here and there to find folks interested in scientific background for the things they do, trade creative ideas, solve problems others couldn't (love that!), translate scientific literature in an actually understandable language, and do stuff they simply have no time or interest for. For example in the field of natural and herbal cosmetics here on CC...
  • @Pharma - Nice to meet you... I'm a layman, so this may be obvious to everyone else but what are NADES?

    (layman... layperson... somehow laywoman sounds like it involves activities of an indecent nature)
  • PharmaPharma Member, Pharmacist
    Laywoman, I have to remember that one :D .
    NADES stands for natural deep eutectic solvents. It means that you take two or more solid compounds and when mixed at the right proportions, they become liquid. Honey and nectar are examples though most others contain choline as one of the parts whereas the other may be urea, sugars, amino acids, and many more. These 'liquids' are often very viscous (again, think honey), don't evaporate (don't dry out), are natural, show unique solvation properties, and they're quite often even beneficial (e.g. vitamins or moisturisers). Oh, and they work without water but are miscible with it and new patents also in the cosmetics industry start popping up like mushrooms. For example for water-free deodorants. No water = a lot more stability and other benefits.
    They are soo cool (and I'm such a nerd)!
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    @Pharma, NADES sound really cool to me, too - and we are all nerds here, so welcome.

    If you are on LinkedIn, please connect with me - there are groups you need to join. If you need me to send you my email address, please send me a message on this forum.


    In fact, please consider this an open invitation for anyone on this forum to connect with me via LinkedIn.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • Hi, i'm octavio in Brooklyn. i've been making my own skin care products for years and i decided to get serious about it and try to get something to the public and that's when i realized how little i knew. There's a big difference between DIY that works on your skin and a market product that will work in a range of skin types, have a good shelf life, etc. The good thing is that the more i learn about chemistry, biology, and the like, the more i'm interested in the subject and continuing on my goal of making skin care products for men. I'm experimenting a lot and i'm here to learn.
  • nyreenyree Member
    Hi im nyree I'm a professional makeup artist starting a line of cosmetics. .I would like to know would anyone know any packaging manufacturer that custom make lipstick cases thank you. You can email me at nyree27@gmail.com
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    @nyree, please post your question in a new, seperate discussion. This discussion is only for introducing yourself.
    Robert Zonis, Sr. Formulation Chemist, Beaumont Products "All opinions and comments expressed are my own, have no relation to Beaumont Products, are fully copyrighted, and may not be used without written permission."
  • nyreenyree Member
    Ok sorry
  • Unknown Member, PCF student
    edited April 2015
    Hi, I'm Amanda from Australia (originally UK) and I've been a consultant chemist for over seven years (www.realizebeauty.com) and in the industry for 18 (which makes me feel old).  I fund quite a bit of research through my consultancy and am interested in sharing and discussing some of that on here as well as meeting other chemists both online and in-person (I travel and am keen to collaborate on some projects. I also have a UK office).  I'm a long-time Perry fan and know there are other great people in this group so hello :)
  • Hello All,

    I am a cosmetic chemist from Canada who has over 10 years of experience formulating skin care, hair care,  I recently started my own consulting firm and am looking for new clients to assist.  I have worked in the R&D departments of large and mid-size manufacturers and have relationships with many others.  

    This website has been a great resource for me and I hope to help others as they have helped me.

    Prasad Consumer Consulting
  • ChiragChirag Member
    Hi I am Chirag, having a detergent manufacturing Unit, i am planning to stablish my own liquid detergent, handwash Unit and in my pursuit the Chemistscorner has prooved to be very bemeficial as i learn a lot from you guys. Please share details of the above mentioned products. Thnk you so much.
  • Hii everyone,
    My name is Ankit and I work as a fomulation developer in cosmetics. I am very new to this arena and this forum has helped me a great deal in getting along with it. Looking forward to share my experiences as well as learning from all of you. Thank you
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