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• Perry Administrator, Professional Chemist

  January 9

  Maybe they think the Silver will work as a preservative? I don't see anything else. Probably just mislabeled.

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• mikethair Member

  January 11

  I see a lot of ingredients labels these days that look like this....just list the sexy stuff, drop the other ingredients. I wonder how they get passed the cosmetics authorities. 
  

  Dr. Mike Thair
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  Indochine Natural
  
• jeremien Member

  January 11

  @mikethair ; In the last issue of C&T there is thsi article dealing with labelling and the author go in that way of reducing the labeling to only the sexy ingredients: 
  
  https://www.cosmeticsandtoiletries.com/regulatory/claims/Why-We-Should-Shorten-Cosmetic-Ingredient-Labeling-503856641.html
  
• Perry Administrator, Professional Chemist

  January 11

  @jeremien - Interesting article. I tend to agree that longer ingredient lists are not useful for consumers. But I'm not sure his example shortened label is much better. 
  
  @mikethair - at least in the US, authorities don't really check labels prior to product launch. 
  
  
  

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• DAS Member

  January 11

  True, might not be useful to consumers, but there are reasons why there are laws and regulations that we all must respect. Ask an allergist if a shorter INCI will help him do his work... I take a detailed list will be of importance to the doctor, not the patient. Also there might be other purposes that we are not taking into consideration.
  
  The "detailed info on website" is equal to say "hey marketing, go nuts". And of course, leaving the decision of what's hot or not to a companies' criteria is simply a terrible idea.
  
  Honestly, that prop sounds more like lobby than author's input.
• jeremien Member

  January 14

  @DAS I completely agree with you
• Willow Member

  January 29

  That Sambucus Nigra Extract is Phytocide Elderberry, sold as a preservative.  I used it in combination with Silverion (silver citrate) successfully, and that's probably what they're doing here.  However I also used a light blocking bottle (silver citrate is very unstable in light) and had leucidal-SF and chamomile essential oil in there.  So there was a combination of natural so-so preservatives, and it was an expensive way to go - not to mention that the product was over 5% preservative ingredients.
• Willow Member

  January 29

  p.s. I still use Phytocide Elderberry, though not on its own.  Elderberry extract has good support as an anti-microbial in responsible research journals in contexts not related to this particular preservative product.