How to fix pearlizer swirls?

GuntherGunther
in Formulating
I keep on getting swirls from pre-made pearlizer, 
it's whiter swirls in finished products, even though pearlizer doesn't seem to separate or precipitate.

I don't know what the pearlizer contains.
The supplier doesn't seem to know, they are waiting for the manufacturer to reply
It's a whitish cream or light paste.

I also tried pre-mixing said pearlizer with Cetiol HE (PEG-7 Glyceryl cocoate), but as soon as I add water, swirls appear.

I even tried filtering the finished bodywash
first with a coffee filter
drip was slow, drop by drop
and most pearl effect was gone, it just looked cloudy/opaque with just a slight pearly effect remaining
but on stirring, pearl swirls appear again.

Tried heating it when mixing too, to no avail.

I tried purchasing pearlizer from another local supplier, but they might be the same product, from the same manufacturer, just different retail packaging.


Why is that happening
Would an emulsifier or solubilizer help?

Comments

  • BelassiBelassi
    Sounds normal to me, isn't that what pearl is supposed to do?
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  • GuntherGunther
    I meant that when gently swirling pearlizer containing soaps, washes or shampoos
    you can see some whiter clouds leaving a trace, which seems to remains in place.
  • ozgirlozgirl
    As Belassi said it sounds like normal behaviour from a pearlizer. Do you have any photos?
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard
    Pearlizers are dispersible in surfactant systems, but not soluble which creates the "swirl" effect.  To reiterate the comments above ... sounds normal and like your pearlizer is doing exactly what it is supposed to do.
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  • BelassiBelassi
    edited June 2018
    This is an image of one of our pearled shampoos. The pearl provides, in combination with coffee and suspended licorice, a metallic bronze effect. Pouring it into the hand, as in the shower, pearlescent swirls are created in a most attractive manner. This particular product uses 3% Euperlan PK-771 (a cold process pearl).
    This was an early version, we now have a properly designed label for it, but the visual effect is still the same.
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  • GuntherGunther
    Thanks but they are macro swirls, clearly visible a few yards away
    The pearlizer is supposed to be Euperlan PK 771 Benz


  • DASDAS
    That picture isn't clear, but that's how it usually looks. If you don't have cationics in your formula you can throw some styrene/butadiene to make it opaque. (I take that's a shampoo or a hand soap).

    And it looks like you are using too much. I use it at 0.001% and the pearl effect is noticeable.
  • GuntherGunther
    As you can see, it ain't a regular (yet pearled) appearance
    it has some large clouds and swirls in it.

    The manufacturer brochure for Euperlan PK 771 Benz, says it's cold-processable, and advises 3-10% concentration.
  • DASDAS
    The pearl effect isn't regular, that's the beauty of it. If you want to make it white and shiny this is not the way. That is exactly what it's supposed to look like.

    Add color to it and you will notice the difference.
  • BelassiBelassi
    That ^^^^
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  • Kyle_TKyle_T
    Agreed, this is on par with the look we get with pearlizers.
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard
    The pearlizing agent in Euperlan is Glycol Distearate.  I am assuming that your surfactant mix is clear, transparent before you add the pearlizing agent.  If you want a solid white pearlized product, just add 1% Sucrose Stearate ( Sisterna SP70-C ) to the water phase ... it will make your aqueous phase solid white without increasing the thickness.  You will then have a pearlized solid white product.
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  • GuntherGunther
    I even tried making brewing soap and shampoo with dark coffee instead of water
    and some swirls from Euperlan PK 771 remain, and it made the product lighter.

    @Belassi did you mix Euperlan with some solubilizer or something?
    Do you add it at the end, cold or hot?
    Thanks in advance.
  • BelassiBelassi
    I simply mix 3% in at the end of the process, when the batch is around 40C or less. It disperses very easily. 
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  • GuntherGunther
    Is yours a white paste?
    How easily does it disperses? Does it initially forms white clumps.

    It was supposed to be Euperlan PK771 Benz
    but packaged for retail, so IDK if that was real BASF, or copycat chinese.
    I'm glad I didn't buy the whole drum, because this is the second pearlizer I tried that doesn't seem to work fine.

    Does yours says BENZ too?
    I believe I got the 90s Ford Taurus version instead. All with its transmission problems, lol.
    Again, thanks for your reply.
  • BelassiBelassi
    No, it is a thick white liquid. Doesn't say BENZ. It disperses really easily, I don't even need to use a mixer, just pour it in at the end while stirring by hand with a large stainless paddle.
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