Hi Everyone
I have a problem with a formulation about Hair water based pomade and I would like you to help me solve it
The problem is that when i heat the mixture in water with the ceteareth 25, the Ceteareth 25 isn't dissolved completally but instead becomes a translucent mass floating on water
The presentation of the ceteareth is in pellets like NaOH, not powder and the msds says that the ceteareth is completely soluble in water
Maybe if i pulverize the ceteareth in a mortar and I add it to the hot mix, Would completely solubilize? or if i increased the amountthe water amount the ceteareth works better ? (water 60% aprox, C-25 21% aprox in formulation)
heating temperature = 60°C
Thanks
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(1) C-25 ... 21% ... is that correct or did you mean 2.1%? If 21% is correct, then that's the major part of your problem ... you only need about 2% C-25
(2) Temp = 60C ... trying upping your temperature to 70C to 75C.
But, if you are using 21% C-25, that's your problem.
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Thanks @MarkBroussard , I will try it
The goal is producing something like this:
https://www.maggardrazors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Hey-Joe-Strong-genuine-hair-pomade-100ml-2.jpg
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Ingredient %
Today i increased the heating temperature to 75°C in a Home water bath ( I don't have a lab water bath) and the ceteareth remains undissolved completely
I tried mix with a mechanical mixer, the ceteareth dissolves completely but too much foam is formed, and the silicone oil does not function as an antifoam agent
The ceteareth stayed like:
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i trying to replicate a formula i have fully developed from a formulary. The goal is producing something like this:
https://www.maggardrazors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Hey-Joe-Strong-genuine-hair-pomade-100ml-2.jpg
But the problem is that the ceteareth isn't dissolved completely in water and if i mix with a mechanical mixer, a lot of foam is formed but the ceteareth is totally dissolved
So i think that maybe if i use an anti-foam agent could work but I don't know what agent could use in this case so that it does not involve any risk in its application
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I take a sample of the container, exposed it to the air, to the interperie and now it looks like this:
Here is the new formulation
Knockout experiment? sure!
I would leave the Cocoate in as it can aid in wash-out, but you could probably cut that down to 2%.
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But, is there any way to reduce this?
Good luck.
No offense, but leaving the cap off is kind of like peeling bananas and leaving them on the counter and wondering why they keep turning brown.
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well, apart from having the container closed
You would have to evaluate the value to you of doing that.
Plus, you do want the water to evaporate when the product is placed in hair for the hold to develop.
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Hi everyone, it's me again
i recommend new hair pomade/ wax formula
Ceteareth 25 25%
Propyline glycol 5%
PEG-400 2%
Kathon-CG 0.1%
Tween-20 1%
Perfume 0.3-0.4%
DM Water Qs to 100 %
Process - 1. Ceteareth-25+PG+PEG-400 Heat- 65-70@C
2. DM Water Heat 85-95@C
3. Mix both Phase or Continuous heating or mixing 90-95@C Ceteareth-25 completely disolve. its very stable formula
4. perfume+ tween-20 mix properly
5. than add main mixer perfume blend or kathon-CG or filling to heat material in jar.
very stable formula.
any outher help related in cosmetics formulation, please feel free contact.
thanks & Regards,
Somdatt Tyagi
R&D Scientist
Nature Essence P Ltd.
What ingredient in your formulation is responsible for fixing to the hair?
But...if you have a formula that is working in all other aspects, it might make sense to add some additional fragrance at a higher temperature (to compensate for the increased evaporation) rather than start changing the functional ingredients.
having said that, from personal experience, I've never had an issue with benzyl alcohol at that kind of temperature
i wonder if you got sucsess with your formula,
You can try just to add 25% ceteareth-25 to 5% Glycerin+PG and complete with distelled water