Need advice for my formulation

tasha15tasha15 Member
edited March 12 in Formulating
this is my shampoo formulation. Sls/sles/sulphate free anti dandruff shampoo.

Antibacterial agent: 0.5 %
Glycerin : 2 %
EDTA                     : 0.5 %
Lauryl Glucoside : 10%
Decyl Glucoside : 6 %
Coco Glucoside & Gliceryl Oleate : 2 %
Sodium Benzoate   : 0.1 %
Sodium CMC :  1 %
Lavender essential oil : 1 %
Citric Acid               : As needed
Water                      : Qs - 100.

IS THERE ANYTHING I SHOULD ADD OR REMOVE TO MAKE THIS FORMULATION BETTER. Please guide me. Thank you for your time and consideration. 

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  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    This there anything i should do? Or this formulation is already good enough. 
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Should i add Cocamidopropyl betaine 10% ?
  • smoksmok Member
    2% btaine
    add selicone or poly
  • 1% of EO is too high. Keep in mind fragrances reduce viscosity.
    0.5% of EDTA? What type are you using? It looks high.
    Glucosides make a terrible shampoo. They turn hair into a rat nest, especially withouht cationic compounds.
    What is "Antibacterial agent"? Is it part of the preservation system?
    And what makes this product anti dandruff?
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Sorry it was suppose to be 0.05 % of EDTA. Will reduce the EO to 0.5 % then. What other main surfactant that is sls free or sulphate free that i can use? That also has lower side effect. Should i add any solubiliser?
  • What do you mean by "side effect"?
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    smok said:
    2% btaine
    add selicone or poly
    What poly or selicone?
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    What do you mean by "side effect"?
    I mean low harm. What should i add to make this formulation better?
  • ngarayeva001ngarayeva001 Member
    edited March 12
    None of cosmetic ingredients cause harm when used as recommended.
    Sulfates do not cause any "harm". You might not like how hair feel after a generic SLS/SLES shampoo, but it's a matter of taste not the indication that they cause harm. Also, that glucosides combination you use provides much worse sensorials than the cheapest sulfate based shampoo.

    I think smok meant polyquaterniums. There are many of them, 7 and 10 are commonly used in shampoos. Regarding silicones, its a bit questionable, because they supress them foam. You can add them but not much. I personally like watersoluble ones.
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    None of cosmetic ingredients cause harm when used as recommended.
    Sulfates do not cause any "harm". You might not like how hair feel after a generic SLS/SLES shampoo, but it's a matter of taste not the indication that they cause harm. Also, that glucosides combination you use provides much worse sensorials than the cheapest sulfate based shampoo.
    So should i replace the lauryl glucoside with Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate. Will it be better.  Whats your opinion. Thank you for helping 
  • Chemophobia aside:

    Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate as a main surfactant+CABP as a secondary. Add polyquaternium 7 for conditioning. Crothix liqud as a thickener.

    No glucosides.
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Antibacterial agent: 0.5 %
    Glycerin : 2 %
    EDTA                     : 0.05 %
    Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate : 10%
    Decyl Glucoside : 6 %
    Coco Glucoside & Gliceryl Oleate : 2 %
    Cocamidopropyl betaine: 10%
    Sodium Benzoate   : 0.1 %
    Sodium CMC : 1 %
    Lavender essential oil : 0.5 %
    Citric Acid               : As needed
    Water                      : Qs - 100.

    does this sound better?
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Chemophobia aside:

    Sodium lauroyl sarcosinate as a main surfactant+CABP as a secondary. Add polyquaternium 7 for conditioning. Crothix liqud as a thickener.

    No glucosides.
    Owh okay i just saw this comment. 
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    The percentage of sodium lauroyl sarcosinate 10% and CABP 10% will be okay?
  • Active matter of Sarcosinate is something around 30, CAPB is around 35. 10% of each leaves you with 6.5%
    Shampoo should have 15% of active matter, so you need to recalculate.
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Active matter of Sarcosinate is something around 30, CAPB is around 35. 10% of each leaves you with 6.5%
    Shampoo should have 15% of active matter, so you need to recalculate.
    Okay thank you very much ❤️
  • You can use this tool 
    http://makingskincare.com/surfactant-calculator/

    And in general, makingskincare is a very good resource for learning.
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Again thank you so much 😊 
  • GuntherGunther Member
    tasha15 said:
    this is my shampoo formulation. Sls/sles/sulphate free anti dandruff shampoo.

    Antibacterial agent: 0.5 %
    Glycerin : 2 %
    EDTA                     : 0.5 %
    Lauryl Glucoside : 10%
    Decyl Glucoside : 6 %
    Coco Glucoside & Gliceryl Oleate : 2 %
    Sodium Benzoate   : 0.1 %
    Sodium CMC :  1 %
    Lavender essential oil : 1 %
    Citric Acid               : As needed
    Water                      : Qs - 100.

    IS THERE ANYTHING I SHOULD ADD OR REMOVE TO MAKE THIS FORMULATION BETTER. Please guide me. Thank you for your time and consideration. 
    1. What's the antibacterial agent? Does that work as a preservative too?
    2. EDTA better at 0.1%.
    3. Too much glucosides will make it sticky. 
    4. Na-benzoate too little at 0.1%. Better at 0.5%+acidic pH, but even that's no substitute for microbial tests.
    5. I don't think Na-CMC will thicken glucosides much, but only experimentation can tell.
    6. Citric acid as needed? What's the target pH?
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Gunther said:
    tasha15 said:
    this is my shampoo formulation. Sls/sles/sulphate free anti dandruff shampoo.

    Antibacterial agent: 0.5 %
    Glycerin : 2 %
    EDTA                     : 0.5 %
    Lauryl Glucoside : 10%
    Decyl Glucoside : 6 %
    Coco Glucoside & Gliceryl Oleate : 2 %
    Sodium Benzoate   : 0.1 %
    Sodium CMC :  1 %
    Lavender essential oil : 1 %
    Citric Acid               : As needed
    Water                      : Qs - 100.

    IS THERE ANYTHING I SHOULD ADD OR REMOVE TO MAKE THIS FORMULATION BETTER. Please guide me. Thank you for your time and consideration. 
    1. What's the antibacterial agent? Does that work as a preservative too?
    2. EDTA better at 0.1%.
    3. Too much glucosides will make it sticky. 
    4. Na-benzoate too little at 0.1%. Better at 0.5%+acidic pH, but even that's no substitute for microbial tests.
    5. I don't think Na-CMC will thicken glucosides much, but only experimentation can tell.
    6. Citric acid as needed? What's the target pH?
    No the antibacterial agent is only to treat the dandruff. 
  • Dandruff is caused by either immune system issues or fungus infection, not bacteria. You don’t have a proper preservative system in your formula.
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Dandruff is caused by either immune system issues or fungus infection, not bacteria. You don’t have a proper preservative system in your formula.
    What preservatives should i subtitute with then?

    antidandruff agent : 1%
    glycerin : 2%
    edta : 0.1 %
    sodium lauryl sarcosinate : 20%
    CABP : 10 %
    polyquaternium 7 : 1%
    crothix liquid : 1%
    sodium benzoate : 0.5 %
    essential oil : 0.5 %
    citric acid : qs 
    water : qs
  • tasha15tasha15 Member
    Sorry
    sodium lauryl sarcosinate: 10%
    CABP : 20%
  • You should understand the science behind calculating surfactants active matter.
  • AhmadAhmad Member
    Belassi said:
    940 is useless with anionic surfactants.
    which grade of carbopol is better, ultrez-20/21 is not available in our country.
    we have polygel-940/941/934.
    Does it have any other name (ultrez-21)?
    can anyone answer?
  • BelassiBelassi Member
    They all have different purposes and abilities. Consult the manufacturer's literature and review the sample formulations provided.
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  • AhmadAhmad Member
    Belassi said:
    They all have different purposes and abilities. Consult the manufacturer's literature and review the sample formulations provided.
    thanx Belassi
    i wanted to use these for anionic surfactants e.g LABSA & SLES. i'll look into the details for what purpose they are being made, hopefully will get an answer. 
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