Shampoo without surfactants? What do you think of this formula:

AVisotskyAVisotsky Member
edited February 2019 in Formulating
Hi there, came across a new brand: shampoo without surfactants. Here is the ingredients list (https://www.hairstory.com/catalogue/new-wash-deep-club_14/)

Cleansing: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Oenothera Biennis (Evening Primrose) Oil,Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Acetic Acid, Pyrus Malus (Apple) Fruit Extract. Conditioning: Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cetyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Stearyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride,Equisetum Hiemale Extract, Behentrimonium Methosulfate,Argania Spinosa Kernal Oil. Other:Keratin and Hydrolyzed Keratin, Rosa Centifolia Flower Water, Menthyl Lactate.Other non-key:Gluconolactone, Panthenol, Sodium Benzoate,Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Flower Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Isopropyl Alcohol, Citric Acid, Ceteareth-20, Trisodium HEDTA, Calcium Gluconate, Phenoxyethanol,Tocopherol, Cetearyl Alcohol, Alcohol. Fragrance:Cananga Odorata Flower Oil, Eugenia Caryophyllus (Clove) Leaf Oil, Aniba Rosaeodora (Rosewood) Wood Oil, Rosa Damascena Flower Oil, Myroxylon Pereirae (Balsam Peru) Oil, Santalum Album (Sandalwood) Oil, Jasminum Grandiflorum (Jasmine) Flower Extract, Pogostemon Cablin Oil, Amyris Balsamifera Bark Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Amyl Cinnamal, Geraniol, Linalool

Comments

  • I see cetyl and stearyl alcohol so there's some kind of emulsification, but I would not expect this to perform well
  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    I am currently working on a new cosmetic product line that are:  Ingredient-Free
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com
  • @MarkBroussard beautiful.. I laughed out loud but also thought of our companies marketing claims...then I stopped laughing
  • I am currently working on a new cosmetic product line that are:  Ingredient-Free
    :D :D :D
  • @MarkBroussard you stole the show :)

  • Seems like a standard conditioner formula to me.



  • @Vnnil It's interesting you mentioned this since some users who buy this product mention that they just use conditioner instead of shampoo.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    It is a conditioner. Although I would add that it is not without surfactants.
    These are all surfactants. 

    Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine,
    Dicetyldimonium Chloride,
    Behentrimonium Methosulfate,
    Ceteareth-20

    They aren't particularly good at cleansing however.
  • Good one Perry! Although Mark you had me there for a while. For 2 seconds my job just became heavenly!
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • What do you all think about a toothpaste without surfactant no foaming action?
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @Dr Catherine Pratt - As a consumer, I don't think I would believe a foamless toothpaste was working. I need that foam as a signal of efficacy. 
  • What do you all think about a toothpaste without surfactant no foaming action?
    I'd totally try it. I don't like when the toothpaste foams too much

  • I am currently working on a new cosmetic product line that are:  Ingredient-Free
    After that add package free and you have a winner strategy.
  • I need to find a ‘natural’ surfactant’ that foams even a tiny bit. I have tried so far:
    sarcosinate, amphoacetate, which are supposed to be better than anything else besides the sulfates. Really because if the amount of salt in the formula it is not going to foam. Any ideas?
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • I think it is easier to boil soap nuts if you are chemophobic.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
  • Perry you really do know your surfactants! and one client wants the foam and the other being a dentist doesn't want the foam? Thoughts?
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • @Dr Catherine Pratt I tried this one: https://www.hyperbiotics.com/products/activated-charcoal-probiotic-toothpaste
    It has no surfactants, but the problem wasn't the lack of foam, it just has no density to it, so it ends up falling through the bristles instead of transferring onto the teeth. 
  • @Dr Catherine Pratt :   Magnasweet, by Mafco. It's Glycyrrhizic acid (from licorice root). "Google" it. 
  • I have the formula down patin density, but I believe I know what to use now. Thank you for all your suggestions.
    The dentist said to me he does not like the foam because you need to see the teeth becoming clean when you are brushing them and you can see what bits you are missing. When its really foamy you can't?
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • Aritha (saopnut) & Shikakai Natural-herbal ingredients are useful to cleanse the hair.
  • Perry said:
    Saponins?
    Yep
  • Aritha (saopnut) & Shikakai Natural-herbal ingredients are useful to cleanse the hair.
    Shikakai cleans perfectly, but can dry hair like any other herb.
  • I need to find a ‘natural’ surfactant’ that foams even a tiny bit. I have tried so far:
    sarcosinate, amphoacetate, which are supposed to be better than anything else besides the sulfates. Really because if the amount of salt in the formula it is not going to foam. Any ideas?
    Kalichem carries three olive based ones that seem to have a natural angle.  At my scale (teeny) the importing is the tricky part.  I tested two of them and I think the whole line foams.

    The Hallstar OliveM line also had one.  https://www.hallstar.com/product/olivem-400/

  • I am currently working on a new cosmetic product line that are:  Ingredient-Free

    Where is the like button...
  • pepe said:
    I am currently working on a new cosmetic product line that are:  Ingredient-Free

    Where is the like button...
    I was actually thinking for the same thing when I red that post. Lol
  • Oh I am so happy to have found this forum  :D 
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