why chemists are weak in maths ?

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edited February 2019 in Off Topic
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why chemists are weak in maths

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  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
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  • Chemist77 said:
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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    There could be any number of reasons.

    Maybe because it's too basic

    or maybe because we only use math periodically.

    or maybe because our calculators Argon


  • i know what is argon but dont know what does mean calculators argon
    ps : english is not my mother language
  • It's a Chemist attempt at a poor joke! 'Argon' sounds like 'are gone'.....
  • Perry said:
    There could be any number of reasons.

    Maybe because it's too basic

    or maybe because we only use math periodically.

    or maybe because our calculators Argon

    you too know that chemists are are weak in mathematics  ?



  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Sorry, those weren't meant to be serious replies. Just humorous puns.

    There is no good serious reply to your question because I don't believe it is generally true that chemists are weak at math. In fact, to become a chemist you have to complete a year of Calculus. You have to take Physical Chemistry which is applied calculus. And you have to take Statistics. 

    But formulators do not have to use much math beyond calculating percentages of ingredients and working out the statistics of a market research study. So that could be a reason that you don't see a lot of brilliant math coming from cosmetic chemists.
  • SibechSibech Member, Professional Chemist
    Different Chemists uses math to different degrees. If you were to find a physical chemist, a quantum chemist, an analytical chemist or computational chemist, you would find some chemists who know a great deal of math.

    And while these subjects focus on the mathematics behind chemistry, all chemists need to know some level of these subjects.

    Basically, calling chemists bad at math is wrong and overgeneralizing.
    Granted most synthesis chemists use less specific math on an everyday basis, but they need to have a grasp of the underlying math in order to do their job properly.

    Formulating chemists have to use even less math, but need a better grasp on the interaction of various ingredients innately - every subject requires different levels. And if you dig deeper into cosmetic chemistry than most cosmetic chemists need to, there is actual math to find as the systems are thermodynamic by nature. Stokes Equation, Derjjaguin-Landau-Verwey-Overbeek theory, The Hagen-Poiseulle equation. These and many more are used by cosmetic chemists on a practical and empirical level.
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  • MicroformulationMicroformulation Member, Professional Chemist
    I use Math on a daily basis. One of my undergrad courses was actually on Pharmaceutical Calculations. I think this is simply a peek at some of the value a formal education can bring.
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  • Sibech said:
    Different Chemists uses math to different degrees. If you were to find a physical chemist, a quantum chemist, an analytical chemist or computational chemist, you would find some chemists who know a great deal of math.

    And while these subjects focus on the mathematics behind chemistry, all chemists need to know some level of these subjects.

    Basically, calling chemists bad at math is wrong and overgeneralizing.
    Granted most synthesis chemists use less specific math on an everyday basis, but they need to have a grasp of the underlying math in order to do their job properly.

    Formulating chemists have to use even less math, but need a better grasp on the interaction of various ingredients innately - every subject requires different levels. And if you dig deeper into cosmetic chemistry than most cosmetic chemists need to, there is actual math to find as the systems are thermodynamic by nature. Stokes Equation, Derjjaguin-Landau-Verwey-Overbeek theory, The Hagen-Poiseulle equation. These and many more are used by cosmetic chemists on a practical and empirical level.


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  • Perry said:
    Sorry, those weren't meant to be serious replies. Just humorous puns.

    There is no good serious reply to your question because I don't believe it is generally true that chemists are weak at math. In fact, to become a chemist you have to complete a year of Calculus. You have to take Physical Chemistry which is applied calculus. And you have to take Statistics. 

    But formulators do not have to use much math beyond calculating percentages of ingredients and working out the statistics of a market research study. So that could be a reason that you don't see a lot of brilliant math coming from cosmetic chemists.
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  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    Chemists are weak in Maths for the same reason they are weak in Englishs
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  • I am pretty sure it's a bias, but what surprises me is that many people formulate without Excel. I can't imagine how is it even possible.

  • Chemists are weak in Maths for the same reason they are weak in Englishs
    no, a mathematician can learn a language in 6 months

    Do you know how many years a literary  needs to learn mathematics


  • MarkBroussardMarkBroussard Member, Professional Chemist
    The premise of the original question is based on a false assumption ... that most Chemists are weak in Math.  An overgeneralization based on a false assumption.  It's like asking "Why are all foreigners weaks in Englishs"?

    What exactly does any of this have to do with cosmetic chemistry anyhow?
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

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  • Because we have Google and online calculators.
  • gld010gld010 Member
    edited February 2019

    I had to take  the same math classes as engineers did at my school to get my chemistry degree, I don't think math is a weak point for me at all.

  • Does it mean that mathematicians are weak in chemistry.... provided that I mixed anionics with cationics ones it might be true ?
  • Einstein quote 'Do not remember anything you can look up' (I think it was him)
    that is why I love my argon calculator so much.
    Where has the humour gone? Perry must be part British...
    Dr. Catherine Pratt
    (B.Sc with HONS I , Ph.D Analytical/Organic Chem and Microbiology), Cosmetic Chemistry IPCS)
  • To solve this problem, first we have to understand what "weak in mathematics" means.
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