Wich is better type of silicone

FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
edited January 8 in General
 I want to know for hair gel wax wich is the best and adequat type of silicone ( cyclo , dimithicone or dimithicanol ) to give best result for shining and wich is the minimum level ( %) of it to give disered shining effect?
 @Perry  @Chemist77 @Gunther @ngarayeva001

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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    They all can work. Dimethicone is generally the best but Cyclomethicone will evaporate so it won't build up like the others can. Dimethiconol is water soluble so it can be more compatible with some systems. The answer depends on the formula.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Perry
    the formula is
     ceteareth 25 : 25 %
     Carbomer : 1%
    TEA : 1,5 %
    pvp : 4 %
    perfume : 0,4  % 
    Preservative : 0,1 % 
    Water : QSP.
    Acoording to you wich is the best adequat silicone and wich is the lowest level can be used to rech disered shining effect.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    Since it's a leave-in product you could use Dimethiconol. Try 1% to see if you get the level of shine you want.
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    Thanks @Perry for your intersting solution.
  • Cyclomethicone is volatile. It may help faster drying, but nothing remains on the hair.

    Dimethiconol is not water soluble. At least not the one I bought.
    IMO It leaves more of a wet-hair look than dimethicone does.
  • khoikhoakhoikhoa Member
    edited January 9

    Phenyl Trimethicone can help shining effect

  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    As @khoikhoa said, PTM is the best for shine but a bit pricey comparatively speaking. My other point is why would you add carbomer to this system. I am not sure if you have made any trials but trust me that 25% ceteareth-25 will be more than enough in that formula. PVP seems fine though and I have an identical formula except the carbomer. It is an extremely thick solution of ceteareth-25 and the processing temperature is almost 80 plus. 
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Chemist77 carbomer in product gives better texture it will be easier in application then free carbomer .
    Thanks @Gunther  & @khoikhoa  for  help . 
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    I will be very interested to know the final results then.
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @Gunther - right. I was referring to Dimethicone Copolyol 

  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    edited January 10
    @Perry i read in your article that Dimethiconol is water soluble and other silicones are not so at final solution wich is better and adequat for my formulation dimethicone or dimethiconol?
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    That's a question only you can answer because only you know what you are trying to achieve.

    "They all can work. Dimethicone is generally the best but Cyclomethicone will evaporate so it won't build up like the others can. Dimethiconol is water soluble so it can be more compatible with some systems. The answer depends on the formula."
  • FekherFekher Member, Professional Chemist
    @Chemist77 have you tried the formulation with carbomer?
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    No I was pretty pleased with ceteareth-20 as my main ingredient. 
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