Dishwash liquid


  I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


Water :  to 100
Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
Urea: 25 gram
EDTA: 10 gram
LABSA: 400 gram
NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
Fragnace : 1 gram
SLES: 400 gram
CDEA: 100 gram
Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

Comments

  • Did you try a more concentrated dishwash?
    I'm having trouble with neutralized LABSA being cloudy at 15%+ LABSA.
  • Gunther said:
    Did you try a more concentrated dishwash?
    I'm having trouble with neutralized LABSA being cloudy at 15%+ LABSA.

     This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

  • ravimosai said:
     This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

    How much LABSA did you use (in % of the final formulation?
    I'm having trouble getting beyond 10% LABSA, even 15% is borderline cloudy.
  • Gunther said:
    ravimosai said:
     This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

    How much LABSA did you use (in % of the final formulation?
    I'm having trouble getting beyond 10% LABSA, even 15% is borderline cloudy.
      I m sorry Gunther. Now I see what you are saying. My formula is for 5 ltr and not for 1 litre. My bad.  :D 
  • ravimosai said:

      I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


    Water :  to 100
    Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
    Urea: 25 gram
    EDTA: 10 gram
    LABSA: 400 gram
    NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
    Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
    Fragnace : 1 gram
    SLES: 400 gram
    CDEA: 100 gram
    Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


    Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

    Sir please answer following of my queries regarding your formula,
    1. What is the expected shelf life of the product? Is there any need to add preservatives?
    2. I am going for a small start-up and have arranged all the chemicals listed above, can you pls guide the step by step process in short? No problem if you don't cuz I have the general idea but to be safe it would be a great help.
    3. What is the meaning of Water to 100 cuz I see it everywhere.
  • ravimosai said:
    Gunther said:
    ravimosai said:
     This formulation is working fine .. I get clear Dishwash gel..

    How much LABSA did you use (in % of the final formulation?
    I'm having trouble getting beyond 10% LABSA, even 15% is borderline cloudy.
      I m sorry Gunther. Now I see what you are saying. My formula is for 5 ltr and not for 1 litre. My bad.  :D 

    Gunther,

     I haven't made it more concentrated, because at this formulation I am getting thicker gel then Vim. 

    I will try it to make it with 15% and would tell you, how it goes.

  • ravimosairavimosai Member
    edited December 2018
    Gobel said:
    ravimosai said:

      I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


    Water :  to 100
    Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
    Urea: 25 gram
    EDTA: 10 gram
    LABSA: 400 gram
    NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
    Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
    Fragnace : 1 gram
    SLES: 400 gram
    CDEA: 100 gram
    Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


    Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

    Sir please answer following of my queries regarding your formula,
    1. What is the expected shelf life of the product? Is there any need to add preservatives?
    2. I am going for a small start-up and have arranged all the chemicals listed above, can you pls guide the step by step process in short? No problem if you don't cuz I have the general idea but to be safe it would be a great help.
    3. What is the meaning of Water to 100 cuz I see it everywhere.

    Hi Gobel,

    1) Shelf life depends on the quality of Ingredients and Utensils you use. If all is good then the Shelf life would be around 18 months. This is for my products that I make.
          2) What exactly you mean by step by step process? 

        3) Water to 100 means:  For example you are making a product of 1 litre.
           When you add all ingredients and it amount to 250 ml.  So What is remaining ml to 1litre? Ans: 750 ml. This 750 ml is the amount of water you need to add. i.e Water to 100 (100%)
  • @ravimosai is this formulation not for 5 liters as you discussed with @Gunther above? 
  • It is for 5 litre ... not for 1 litre
  • chemicalmattchemicalmatt Member, Professional Chemist
    What is with the urea? Not needed there. 
    LABSA used was 96% commercial form?
    Also, pH should be adjusted to 8.0 - 9.0 to truly make this "tried and true" my friend. Just sayin'
  • ravimosai said:
    Gobel said:
    ravimosai said:

      I am posting this formulation for people who might me interested in looking for Dishwash liquid Formulation. This is tried and tested formula and I make dish wash making using the same formula. 1 liter 


    Water :  to 100
    Formaldehyde or Sodium benzonate: 10 ml/10 gr
    Urea: 25 gram
    EDTA: 10 gram
    LABSA: 400 gram
    NaOH: 50 % soluiton ( adjust the pH to 6-7)
    Liquid colour: 1-2 gram
    Fragnace : 1 gram
    SLES: 400 gram
    CDEA: 100 gram
    Salt: 60-70 gram (make me less or more depending viscosity you need)


    Mix the ingredients as listed. Leave the mixture for 24 hrs. 

    Sir please answer following of my queries regarding your formula,
    1. What is the expected shelf life of the product? Is there any need to add preservatives?
    2. I am going for a small start-up and have arranged all the chemicals listed above, can you pls guide the step by step process in short? No problem if you don't cuz I have the general idea but to be safe it would be a great help.
    3. What is the meaning of Water to 100 cuz I see it everywhere.

    Hi Gobel,

    1) Shelf life depends on the quality of Ingredients and Utensils you use. If all is good then the Shelf life would be around 18 months. This is for my products that I make.
          2) What exactly you mean by step by step process? 

        3) Water to 100 means:  For example you are making a product of 1 litre.
           When you add all ingredients and it amount to 250 ml.  So What is remaining ml to 1litre? Ans: 750 ml. This 750 ml is the amount of water you need to add. i.e Water to 100 (100%)
    Sir by step by step i mean, like first we add labsa to ______ ml water and mix it. then make a NaOH sol and then mix it with labsa, then make separate sol for each ingredient and add it with labsa and mix for 30 min.... like this sir.
  • AhmadAhmad Member
    Hello everyone,
    can somebody tell me that i can use methyl alcohol less than 1% in a dish wash liquid?
  • Ahmad said:
    Hello everyone,
    can somebody tell me that i can use methyl alcohol less than 1% in a dish wash liquid?
    Even if regulations allow it, don't
    there are more effective and safer preservatives out there.
    Customers may sue you, and you or some of your employees may end up very ill just from chronic exposure to it.
  • AhmadAhmad Member
    @ Gunther
    Thanx Gunther actually it was used for the fragrance solubility agent...
    Scent was making solution precipitated. I mean scent was making my clear solution unclear.
  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    Methanol????? really???
  • smoksmok Member
    if it is for personally use you dont need urea and edta

    you should pricing the amount of water water to nomean anythig

  • @ravimosai in ur formula the fragrance is water soluble or oil based fragrance if fragrance is oil based then how you are emulsifying the fragrance? 
  • Hey @Gunther i have Made a 18% Labsa dishwash as sole surfactantes And i havent cloudiness issues, i'm fact above 16% the viscosity is very good, check And control the rise of temperature, And try without other Labsa suppliers

    The experiment where Made when There our supplier runout of sles.
  • bil7bil7 Member
    Mixed d limonene with 2 parts of tween 20 plus 1 part of TEA added to solution or you can also mix above with glycerin then pour to formulation.
  • bil7bil7 Member
    If cloudy is coming you are not neutralize sles labsa completely after adding and properly stiring just also add tartaric acid 1 part as 10 part of citric it will give yoy crystal shine in product will glow brighter 
  • how can I make clear transparent dis wash liquid soap?
  • You can drop Labsa percentage
  • Amittal said:
    @ravimosai in ur formula the fragrance is water soluble or oil based fragrance if fragrance is oil based then how you are emulsifying the fragrance? 
    Water based fragnance
  • myatmyatmyatmyat Member
    Thanks you very much for everything !
     It is ok🙂
  • AhmadAhmad Member
    Hello everyone,
    I want to know about the impact of perfumes on dish wash fromulation as i am facing to types:
    1 thickness decreasing
    2 Smell also drops by adding more surfactants(SLES or Labsa).
    Can somebody tell me about water based and oil based perfumes? 

  • AanchalAanchal Member
    Hello

    Can CDEA be replaced by some other chemical? I found that it is deemed as unsafe, carcinogenic, and hence even banned in some places. FDA hasn't declared it unsafe but cancer research institute has labelled it as a carcinogen.
  • svensven Member
    😂😂😂😂😂
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    There isn't any one-to-one replacement. We used Cocamidopropyl Betaine as a replacement but had to make significant adjustments to rest of the formula.

    Incidentally, the best science does not show Cocadmide DEA causes cancer and is safe to use in products at levels as used in cosmetics. 
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/l964yzctytwsro1/cocamiddea-safety.pdf?dl=0
  • AanchalAanchal Member
     Perry said:
    There isn't any one-to-one replacement. We used Cocamidopropyl Betaine as a replacement but had to make significant adjustments to rest of the formula.

    Incidentally, the best science does not show Cocadmide DEA causes cancer and is safe to use in products at levels as used in cosmetics. 
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/l964yzctytwsro1/cocamiddea-safety.pdf?dl=0
    Noted ! Thanks Perry  ! 
  • AzizAziz Member
    Ahmad said:
    Hello everyone,
    I want to know about the impact of perfumes on dish wash fromulation as i am facing to types:
    1 thickness decreasing
    2 Smell also drops by adding more surfactants(SLES or Labsa).
    Can somebody tell me about water based and oil based perfumes? 

    The perfume what I use in my dish wash , shop keeper call it ' Lemon 3 ' . I bought 1 litre but did't see its lebel . It is water soluble , coz it finishing product remains transparent . 
    I add perfume befor adding CAPB and salt to thicken to avoid this theckening problem 
  • ozgirlozgirl Member, PCF student
    Aanchal said:
    Hello

    Can CDEA be replaced by some other chemical? I found that it is deemed as unsafe, carcinogenic, and hence even banned in some places. FDA hasn't declared it unsafe but cancer research institute has
    @Aanchal - We have replaced Cocamide DEA with Cocamide MEA with very little adjustment to the formula. It is the free DEA in the CDEA that is the issue with respect to carcinogenicity.
  • GuntherGunther Member
    Please stop spreading misinformation

    Cocamide DEA was never really proven to cause cancer by itself.
    Their findings couldn't be readily replicated so its believed cancer was caused by a by-product, not CDEA itself.

    The Cancer Research Institute doesn't test chemicals at all. They just fund some experimental therapy studies.

    The International Agency for Research on Cancer does test chemicals.
    For CDEA it 
    68603-42-9Coconut oil diethanolamine condensate2B1012013
    https://monographs.iarc.fr/list-of-classifications-volumes/
    Its monograph fits in the Group 2B: The agent is possibly carcinogenic to humans.
    There is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals. It may also be used if there is inadequate evidence in humans but sufficient evidence in experimental animals. Occasionally, an agent (or mixture) may be placed in group 2B if there is inadequate evidence in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals but there is supporting evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data. An agent or a mixture may also be classified in this category solely on the basis of strong evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data

    Ginko Biloba extract, Kava extract, magnetic fields, Medroxyprogesterone acetate, metronidazole, Nickel metallic and alloys, Oxazepam, Phenobarbital, Progestins, Radiofrequency electromagnetic fields, polygeenan (carrageenan derivative), goldenseal root powder belong to the same group, are widely used, some of them even taken by mouth, some are even FDA approved meds, and not proven to cause cancer.
  • Guys anyone know the formula of foam handwash
  • svensven Member
    @Gunther thank you so much for that data. It will really help on a project that i am working on.
  • AanchalAanchal Member
    Gunther said:
    Please stop spreading misinformation

    Cocamide DEA was never really proven to cause cancer by itself.
    Their findings couldn't be readily replicated so its believed cancer was caused by a by-product, not CDEA itself.

    The Cancer Research Institute doesn't test chemicals at all. They just fund some experimental therapy studies.

    The International Agency for Research on Cancer does test chemicals.
    For CDEA it 
    68603-42-9Coconut oil diethanolamine condensate2B1012013
    https://monographs.iarc.fr/list-of-classifications-volumes/
    Its monograph fits in the Group 2B: The agent is possibly carcinogenic to humans.
    There is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals. It may also be used if there is inadequate evidence in humans but sufficient evidence in experimental animals. Occasionally, an agent (or mixture) may be placed in group 2B if there is inadequate evidence in humans and less than sufficient evidence in experimental animals but there is supporting evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data. An agent or a mixture may also be classified in this category solely on the basis of strong evidence of carcinogenicity from mechanistic and other relevant data

    Ginko Biloba extract, Kava extract, magnetic fields, Medroxyprogesterone acetate, metronidazole, Nickel metallic and alloys, Oxazepam, Phenobarbital, Progestins, Radiofrequency electromagnetic fields, polygeenan (carrageenan derivative), goldenseal root powder belong to the same group, are widely used, some of them even taken by mouth, some are even FDA approved meds, and not proven to cause cancer.
    Thanks for your inputs. Glad that my doubt is cleared and nobody will be misinformed by my comment. 

  • AanchalAanchal Member
    ozgirl said:
    Aanchal said:
    Hello

    Can CDEA be replaced by some other chemical? I found that it is deemed as unsafe, carcinogenic, and hence even banned in some places. FDA hasn't declared it unsafe but cancer research institute has
    @Aanchal - We have replaced Cocamide DEA with Cocamide MEA with very little adjustment to the formula. It is the free DEA in the CDEA that is the issue with respect to carcinogenicity.
    Thank you  ! Noted. 
  • AanchalAanchal Member
    CDEA is available in liquid form at most vendor's. Can it be used in liquid state instead of solid? How? 
  • ElsayedElsayed Member
    I have an idea wherby you can solublize menthol without solublizer. By adding menthol into warm water at 40 C.
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