Can't find polyethylene anywhere

Hi,

I'm trying to find polyethylene, pentaerythrityl tetra di t butyl hydroxyhydrocinnamate and synthethic flurphgopite to make lipsticks but I can't find them anywhere. I'm following this formula:

caprylic capric triglyceride
dicalcium phosphate
disteardimonium hectorite
hydrogenated styrene/isopropene copolymer
iron oxide
isododecane
pentaerythrityl tetra di t butyl hydroxyhydrocinnamate
polyethylene
propylene carbonate
sunflower wax
synthethic fluorphgopite
titanium dioxide
tocopherol

I'm a beginner who wants to make my own homemade lipsticks, therefore, I'm not looking for bulks. My other option is to find replacements for those three ingredients I can't find. Can somebody tell me alternatives for these ingredients? Thankyou in advance. 



Comments

  • edited March 9
    Wow, I think you may need to see why a background in Chemistry is needed. Your breakdown needs to be done by someone with more experience in IUPAC nomenclature. Polyethylene is a part of many molecules, not a raw material.

    You should know the function of each material.

    There is a GREAT deal to learn before even attempting this.

    This Formulation requires some specific equipment as well as some specialized processing to make. 

    QED, this is not a Formulation for a Beginner. It is dangerously naive to believe otherwise.

    In addition, several of these materials are only sold in bulk. Small quantities are not and would not be available in smaller quantities.


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  • There is a GREAT deal to learn before even attempting this. 
    This ^

    I see it all the time and it amazes me.
    People with zero experience and chemical background just drop an (oftentimes complex) LOI and think they only need to collect all the listed ingredients and things will just work out from there.

    You really, REALLY need to take @Microformulation 's advice seriously.

    Why not start with creating a simple lipbalm with some waxes, butters and oils to begin with? You can add lipsafe micas.
    https://snapguide.com/guides/make-a-coloured-lip-balm/
  • @Doreen That was going to be my exact advice as well. Try looking at some smaller websites, like perhaps Susan Barclay Nichols blog; http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/ and get a good start.

    Also, even a trained and experienced Formulator, if first transitioned to color products would have a good bit to learn. I know @Bobzchemist has a great deal of experience in this area and can weigh-in as well.

    We are not being dismissive or mean. You simply are not equipped with the requisite knowledge to do this product.

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  • edited March 9
    also, for what it's worth, the synthetic mica substitute frequently used as a pigment is spelt fluorphlogopite
    UK based formulation chemist. Strongest subjects: hair styling, hair bleaches, hair dyes (oxidative and non-oxidative) I know some stuff about: EU regulations, emulsions (O/W and W/O), toothpaste, mouthwash, shampoos, other toiletries
  • edited March 12
    Happy Sunday everyone @natihuates ; as crazy as this sounds, ebay can be a place to find raw materials from some chemical vendors but I agree with the thread.  The matte long wear formulation you are attempting needs a bit more knowledge behind it.  At that, you can achieve beautiful results without using styrene copolymers.  LA Colors does a similar one with that inci. Kobo sells a specialty styrene copolymer to licensed manufacturers or consultants, but it is not for do it yourself home use.  I have a surplus of the Bentone ISDV Gel, as well as other raws for long wear formulations.  Yet, I would never resell to someone not in the business as a professional.  For hobbyists, the multiphase long wear formulations require a certain knowledge base.  TKB trading out of CA (no affiliation they are just nice people)  does offer some pre-made bases that are a much better way to learn about the different phases of a long wear formulation or materials.  Good luck.
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  • edited March 12
               https://tkbtrading.com/  & ingredientstodiefor.com
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    http://www.designerbeautylab.com/ 
    Lots of Make-up, Thermoplastic & Cosmetic Formulations - Color Expertise, Adhesives, Color Matching (including oxidized hair color), Consulting. R&D. Collaborations Welcomed.   
  • Thank you all for your recommendations! 
  • The ingredient list above is not for homemade lipsticks, it's a mass production formula. The reason that larger manufacturers put a certain ingredient in the formula is sometimes not even obvious to experts. It can be price, availablity, patents, up-scaling reasons, regulations, marketing....just to mention a few.
    If I was to make a homemade lipstick I would start with google " how to make a homemade lipstick" and take it from there... / I do however not use lipstick ;)
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