Organic water? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

edited March 8 in Formulating
How is http://shop.coolasuncare.com/mineral-sport-natural-sunscreen-spf-30-citrus-mimosa able to claim to be more than 70% organic? 

To me it seems like they're counting their citrus water as organic, amiwrong?
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  • Maybe. They don't follow proper labeling rules so it's hard to say what they're doing.
  • Well, both gatefosse and carubba carry it. E.g.

    Original Extract Orange Bio 
    INCI Name: Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Fruit Water
    Company: Gattefossé

    Not sure how I feel about it.
  • With that INCI name, I guess it's an orange extract.
  • edited March 9
    Most of the "Organic" labelled products will automatically discount water and salt.
    A healthy dose of 200x Organic aloe vera powder can very easily "Convert" the water content of a product to 1:1 aloe vera juice.
    The silly thing though is that the more water that is in the product, perversely, the easier it is to hit 70% organic or better

    Something like a micellar water is a breeze to make 70, 80, 90% organic
    UK based, Over 20 years in Toiletries, After a 5 year sabbatical doing cleaning products, back in the land of Personal Care
  • In the US, you cannot get Organic Certification by adding Organic Aloe Vera Powder to water and then claiming that it's Organic Aloe Vera Juice.  The Certification bodies will not certify it.

    Note the reference product claims 70%+ Organic Certified ingredients, but it is not a "Made With Organic Ingredients" certified product.
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    Provides Formulation Development and Lab-Scale Contract Manufacturing Services.  See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com

  • @MarkBroussard Actually I just a clients product certified using something like you described.

    The Certifying body allowed the Aloe Vera Leaf Juice to be considered  Organic if;

    • A 200X Organic Aloe Powder was used.
    • The manufacturer was authorized to manufacture under the USDA NOP program.
    • They did it as a separate process, essentially manufacturing a preliminary product that is considered Organic.
    • And then the Preliminary Organic Material (all certification obligations exist to call that Organic) was used as a raw material in the final product.

    Of interest with this cited product is the fact that the Certified Organic Seal is not the USDA Seal. They are vulnerable to censure, but I wonder how they attempted a "workaround" of this. It is likely not allowed.

    Off topic, but I sent you an email but never heard back. I wanted to refer someone to you.

     
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  • in the new ISO 16128, i guess thta you have to specify if you give the organic content with or without formulation water. In all case, formulation water cannot be considered as organic.
  • @jeremien:

    Note that Mark said that the Organic Seal on his client's product is not the USDA NOP Seal.  The use of Organic Aloe Vera Powder is simply not allowed under UDSA NOP Organic certification to consider your entire water phase as an Organic ingredient .... You will only get credit for the 0.5% Aloe Powder that you add, not the water.  

    The only other Organic Seal that I am aware of in the US would be the NSF Organic Seal ... perhaps this allowed under the NSF certification program, but I am doubtful as I have also had products NSF certified.

    I've seen companies go so far as to have a graphic artist create a mock "Organic" seal that is nothing more than an artists rendering ... it is not a certification certificate by any legitimate body.

    Mark ... noted, I will drop you an e-mail
    Chemist/Microbiologist formulating in the Organic & Naturals arena under ECOCert/Natural Products Assn/Whole Foods/National Organic Program guidelines focused skincare & haircare products. 

    Provides Formulation Development and Lab-Scale Contract Manufacturing Services.  See website for details www.desertinbloomcosmeticslab.com

  • In sum:

    There is one USDA certified organic water, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4676412/Asarasi-USDA-certified-organic-WATER.html

    Other organic waters that are not USDA certified would not count towards USDA certification. You'd have to strike a deal with Asarasi ;)
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