Justice vs Science

heraklitheraklit Member, PCF student
edited August 2017 in Cosmetic Industry
...So anyone can make lawsuits for any ingredient (parabens etc..).
So scientific studies are of no value?
I hope Johnsons to win the appeals. Otherwise...
... let's get back to simple soapmaking!  Oils, NaOH, water and nothing more. Just to washing our bodies only...


  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    What makes you think simple soap making is safe?  When no scientific proof is required to convince scientifically illiterate juries of a guilty verdict, every product is at risk.
  • That is why product Liability insurance exists and is so expensive graduating in cost/yr  depending upon sales and product exposure.
  • heraklitheraklit Member, PCF student
    :( Oh! you're right Perry!
    We must support Johnson & Johnson in this battle even if they are big competitors to us.
  • Where did the $417m came from? Why did she woke up 10 years later after she was diagnosed? Was it because some johnson competitor came by to "help" her?
    She used talc in a regular basis for over 40 year??? Sorry to say this, but some people just deserve to die....

  • It is impossible to please everyone. Information about each cosmetic ingredient and its safety everyone can find in Google. Each person takes in what he enjoys or can buys.

    I know that in PEG there is an admixture of 1,4-dioxane. So, I will never buy products with PEG, that's all. Information today - it's not secret.

    Other side -  it's honesty of companies.

     That's all.

  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    @ElenaZaharevich - 1,4 dioxane is a known ingredient and it's safety profile has been evaluated. We know what levels are safe and the levels you get in cosmetics are safe.

    When you avoid products and switch to alternatives, you expose yourself to ingredients with unknown safety profiles. Suppose down the line someone finds that something like Decyl Glucoside contains a previously unknown carcinogen. You've now exposed yourself to a different carcinogen.

    It is not enough to identify potential carcinogens. You also have to know the levels of exposure that matter.  Everything is a potential carcinogen.  Dose matters.

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