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  • Dodecylhexadecyltrimonium Chloride

    Posted by Shubh123 on February 25, 2017 at 7:35 am

    Hello! 
    Can anyone suggest me an alternate exfoliator for Dodecylhexadecyltrimonium Chloride?

    Shubh123 replied 7 years, 1 month ago 4 Members · 23 Replies
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  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 7:53 am

    Dodecylhexadecyltrimonium Chloride is a fairly unusual cationic detergent used mostly as a hair conditioner. It is NOT an exfoliator although it may be included in exfoliator products for other reasons.

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 7:57 am

    @johnb
    Sir! if it is used with Polyacrylic Acid it gives exfoliating property. But it is very costly & not easily available in India. So i am looking for its alternative.

  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 8:12 am

    Please explain how it does this or give a link.

    I can find no references to the end use that you claim.

    I still maintain that it is a cationic detergent most often used as a hair conditioner. However, it a an uncommon material (perhaps because of its high cost).

    Check out https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/21917627#section=Top

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 9:10 am

    @johnb
     Sir! Are u asking how does it gives exfoliating property?

  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 9:20 am

    What I am asking is for a reference to where you get the information that this substance does have the property of being an exfoliant.

    I cannot believe that a material normally used as a hair conditioner will itself have exfoliating properties. Possibly it is included in the product for another purpose.

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 9:29 am

    @johnb
    Sir! I dont have any link. Our principal from China have this chemical. They told about this property.I also try to get information on internet but i didn’t get anything. But when i tried gel with this it gives exfoliating property. 

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 9:31 am

    Just disperse polyacrylic acid in water completely, don’t nutralize it & add Dodecylhexadecyltrimonium Chloride to it. Mix well.

  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 9:38 am

    Sorry, I just don’t believe it unless it is merely a minor ingredient in a polyacrylic acid “balling” exfoliator.

    Does your Chinese principal explain anything about what they are trying to sell you?

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 9:47 am

    @johnb
    Sir! If u have this material u will try.

  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 10:03 am

    I don’t have the material.

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 10:10 am

    @johnb
    NO sir! our principal doesn’t tell us but they just give hint to us about its exfoliating property. 
    I just find a link.
    Check this link: http://asia.in-cosmetics.com/en/Exhibitors/2128605/Guangzhou-Jaonron-Trading-Co-Ltd/Products/1062793/Dodecylhexadecyltrimonium-chloride

  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 11:42 am

    I still do not believe it.

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 11:46 am

    @johnb
     I have only one reference that i give u…

  • Shubh123

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    February 25, 2017 at 11:47 am

    I made both gel & spray with it…

  • johnb

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    February 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    Your understanding of the word “exfoliator” must be different to mine.

    My (and the majority of others) understanding of exfoliator is “an item or cosmetic composition to be applied to, or rubbed on to, the suface of the skin with the intention of removing surplus skin tissue.”

    I cannot see any way that a cationic detergent can, in itself, have this action.

  • chemist77

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    February 25, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    @Shubh123 that’s a cationic surfactant and when mixed with your anionic acid it gives a precipitate. Your principal is making you believe that it has exfoliating property where actually the complex just balls on skin when applied. Please note that cationic and anionic are highly incompatible, there is no way you could use them in a properly stable formula. 
    Take a sample of hair gel and add a little of that so called exfoliator. It will fall apart. 

  • crisbaysauli

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    February 26, 2017 at 8:24 am

    i agree with @Chemist77. Here in our country marketers hyped this product so well every company wanted their own version. the “peeling” concept boomed to include facial gels, body gels, “peeling” deodorant, “peeling” scrub, “peeling” lotion etc. In reality, this is actually all make believe @Shubh123. Unless there is a chemical exfoliator in your gel.

  • Shubh123

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    February 28, 2017 at 4:12 am

    @crisbaysauli
    Thnx! I am agree with u bcoz our principal send formulation using this chemical under name peeling gel. But i didn’t find any reference about its property.

  • Shubh123

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    February 28, 2017 at 4:18 am

    @Chemist77
    Thnx chemist77! So if use another cationic surfactant then it also give same effect?

  • chemist77

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    February 28, 2017 at 4:39 am

    Any cationic will complex out with anionic though there are some milder ones which in moderation show some compatibility. 

  • Shubh123

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    February 28, 2017 at 4:48 am

    @Chemist77
    I am trying with cetrimonium chloride..

  • chemist77

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    February 28, 2017 at 5:24 am

    I think it will be best if you do some trials and establish empirically how a cationic and anionic will react.

  • Shubh123

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    February 28, 2017 at 6:29 am

    @Chemist77
    Yes Sir! I will take some trials now.

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