Hair Spray, Two-Layer

n.majidin.majidi Member
edited August 2016 in Formulating
hi,
I want to make a tow layers hair spray ( milky and clear).
I tried a lot but I do not know why it was not stable? after 1 hour it became 3 layers.
 
Whould you  mind helping me abaut that?
thank you.
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  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    What is your formula?  Please include all ingredients and percents.
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  • n.majidin.majidi Member
    edited August 2016
    Thanks for your replay,

    Cyclopentasiloxane          19%
    Phenyl Trimethicone         3%
    Argan oil                          1%

    ..........
    Aqua
    Sodium chloride               1%
    Cetrimonium chloride       1.6
    PEG-7 glyceryl cocoate     1%
    Cocamidopropyl betaine   0.4
    NaPCA 1                           1
    Silicone Quaternium-18,Trideceth-6 ,Trideceth-12   2%
    Hydrolyzed Keratin PG-Propyl Methylsilanediol         1%
    ..........
    Preservative   0.1
  • BelassiBelassi Member
    If you place a batch in a graduated cylinder and observe the relative quantities of the 3 layers then compare to your formula, you should be able to get a good idea of what's happening. I suspect you have layers of vegetable oil, silicones, and water.
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  • n.majidin.majidi Member
    Thanks for your replay,

    I am going to check it.. But I do not know what equipment and machinery are used for this process? whould you please give me some information about that?

    thank you.
  • BelassiBelassi Member
    You never took basic chemistry class at school? Never did physics (measurement of an object's density)? Google it.
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  • n.majidin.majidi Member
     Mr. Belassi,

    I think, you misunderstood.
    As you suggested me : ( If you place a batch in a graduated cylinder and observe the relative quantities of the 3 layers then compare to your formula, you should be able to get a good idea of what's happening. I suspect you have layers of vegetable oil, silicones, and water)

    I checked that and my problem was solved. Now I want to produce this product in a pilot plant but I do not know what equipment and machinery are used for that?
     
    by the way, I studied organic chemistry in MSc degree.
     
  • BelassiBelassi Member
    You will need to talk to someone with large scale experience. Sorry I can't help with that.
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  • n.majidin.majidi Member
    @Perry : Whould you help me?
  • n.majidin.majidi Member
    @Belassi : Thank you...

    @Perry : Would you mind helping me?
  • PerryPerry Administrator, Professional Chemist
    That really depends on batch size and space available.  See this discussion of equipment.
    https://chemistscorner.com/cosmeticsciencetalk/discussion/comment/1041/
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  • n.majidin.majidi Member
    @Perry , @jerry :
    I am going to manufacture a batch of two phases hair spray up to 500 kilos . I think, special equipment are used for that, So, I need more information about the manufacturing process and the required equipment.

  • Chemist77Chemist77 Member, PCF student
    Seems to be a simple formulation in terms of processing so I suppose you can use a normal mixer. Eventually the batch is going to separate in 2 phases though while filling you make sure that the batch is continuously under mixing for favorable results. 
  • n.majidin.majidi Member
    @chemist:
    thank you for your reply,
    for processing yes I agree with you, we can use a normal mixer but I do not know when I want to fill the bottles what should I do? so I think we have to use special mixer for that.

  • Bill_TogeBill_Toge Member, Professional Chemist
    edited August 2016
    at my old place we used to make and fill two-phase mouthwash; each phase was made and filled separately, as trying to fill the mixed product would have been far too complicated and impractical
    UK based formulation chemist. Strongest subjects: hair styling, hair bleaches, hair dyes (oxidative and non-oxidative) I know some stuff about: EU regulations, emulsions (O/W and W/O), toothpaste, mouthwash, shampoos, other toiletries
  • AylaAyla Member
    I did the same as Bill_Toge.
  • BobzchemistBobzchemist Member, PCF student
    I'm going to agree with Bill also - the chances for variability in phase volume when trying to fill a 2-phase product all at once are high. Fill each phase separately, and you won't need special equipment either.
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  • fletlandfletland Member
    the formula is ok, only add a emulsifier to the oil phase, al least 3 %,  and you will get a pretty milky fase above,  and the water fase is clear,    the filling is not a problem , beacause this formula in the first separation times it takes a lot o time,  so you only have to stirr while you fill

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